Suffering

[WestminsterMan]

God is a God of JUSTICE and the death of infants demonstrate clearly that all mankind sinned when Adam sinned because the whole UNDIVIDED human nature existed and acted in one man's offence and thus "many be dead.... many were made sinners."

I need clarification... Are you saying that the death of infants is caused by original sin - or that when infants die they go to hell???

WM

 

[Michael Wrenn]

So just to be clear, you deny the truthfulness of the Old Testament?

Putting words in my mouth?

I am saying that instead of a unified and harmonious whole, as some proclaim the OT to be, I recognize that it contains various traditions and belief systems, some diametrically opposed to each other, such as the priestly tradition and the prophetic tradition. When I read something that is directly contradictory to the teachings and example of Jesus, I consider the source from which it came. And I choose to follow Jesus.

 

[mandym]

Putting words in my mouth?

I am saying that instead of a unified and harmonious whole, as some proclaim the OT to be, I recognize that it contains various traditions and belief systems, some diametrically opposed to each other, such as the priestly tradition and the prophetic tradition. When I read something that is directly contradictory to the teachings and example of Jesus, I consider the source from which it came. And I choose to follow Jesus.

Wow! ok then

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Wow! ok then

Well, thanks for not attacking me. I like discussion, and I don't intend to malign anyone's seriously held beliefs. If I believe something strongly, I'll state that and expect everyone would do the same. I would also hope to do so without personal offense, but if I ever fail and don't live up to that, I'll ask to be forgiven.

 

[The Biblicist]

I need clarification... Are you saying that the death of infants is caused by original sin - or that when infants die they go to hell???

WM

I am saying that death is the consequence of original sin. I am saying every human being existed in one human nature in one man -Adam and when he sinned all men sinned. I am saying that this ONE UNDIVIDED HUMAN NATURE that existed and sinned was consequentially divided by natural generation and death of infants as well as all men demonstrate they sinned when Adam sinned and thus are just partakers of the consequences of that sin.

I am not saying dying infants go to hell. They are saved exactly as they were damned. They were damned apart and without individual personal choice in Adam and they are saved apart and without personal choice because Christ by His death took away the eternal consequences due to the "sin" of the world (Jn. 1:29). All who go to hell go due to their own individual sins and are judged "according to their works."