Sunday School teacher question

[Yeshua1]

I don't really see how anyone can argue that they are allowed (Biblically) to teach or be in authority over a man. They can certainly share the Gospel with anyone, but a church founded by a woman will be starting out sending a contra-biblical message on the roles of men and women. It didn't work in Corinth. It hasn't worked in a lot of the liberal denominations that ordain women. I see no reason why God should have suddenly changed his mind about something as basic as gender roles.

Now I know women who appear to be more capable teachers than many male teachers that I have met. I even know women who have preached more Biblically sound sermons from a pulpit than most ordained ministers that I have heard preach. I have no idea why God who makes no distinction between male and female in so many areas of Christian service would ban all women from teaching and leading men ... but Paul's message is unambiguous.

No woman is to be in authority over men (Pastor/Elder/Deacon/Teacher).
"Don't eat from this one particular tree" didn't make sense either, but look at the trouble when people disobeyed.
So whether I completely understand why, or not, I am not going to ignore this rule ... no women in authority over me because GOD SAID SO!

I was just wondering if /why Baptists allow women missionaries to teach and lead overseas, but not here?

 

[JonC]

Are missionaries who are woman allowed to teach on their mission field, to instruct and train up male leadership though?

I don't believe in two separate "mission fields". If women are to teach men in our communities then they are to teach outside of our communities. If they are not to teach men within our communities then they are not to teach men outside of our communities.

That said, I am not so much a stickler for teaching as I am in terms of leadership (which I believe to be the primary emphasis).

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't believe in two separate "mission fields". If women are to teach men in our communities then they are to teach outside of our communities. If they are not to teach men within our communities then they are not to teach men outside of our communities.

That said, I am not so much a stickler for teaching as I am in terms of leadership (which I believe to be the primary emphasis).

Do you know female missionaries who do both out in the mission field?

 

[JonC]

Do you know female missionaries who do both out in the mission field?

No.

 

[Tennessee Gal]

I have taught ladies Sunday School classes and Bible studies for many years in both Independent and Southern Baptist churches, but never a mixed class.

 

[SheepWhisperer]

What we need in churches is faithful, doctrinal, sound, "sober, grave and temperate" older men, mentoring and teaching younger men how to be godly husbands and fathers and we need holy older women teaching young women how to be "proverbs 31" wives and mothers. There would be many more stable and happy homes if we did. and some of the things which need teaching are not suited for "mixed class". Know what I'm saying?

There is a wealth of information, on the subject, here.....

Titus 2
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.

7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

 

[HankD]

Solution:?

If it is obvious that a woman has been given a gift of wisdom/understanding then let her author a book specifically for other women.

If a man or men want to have the book for their own edification - Fine.

Who’s Who Among Biblical Women Leaders

 

[terrpn]

Solution:?

If it is obvious that a woman has been given a gift of wisdom/understanding then let her author a book specifically for other women.

If a man or men want to have the book for their own edification - Fine.

Who’s Who Among Biblical Women Leaders

Pauline epistle qualifies the subject very plainly and exact? I don’t get the confusion.......

1 Timothy 2:12 King James Version (KJV) 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.



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[SheepWhisperer]

Pauline epistle qualifies the subject very plainly and exact? I don’t get the confusion.......

1 Timothy 2:12 King James Version (KJV) 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.



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It is speaking of "teaching men" and "usurping authority over men". Because Titus 2, as posted above, also commands "aged women" to "teach" younger women. The "silence" part, is a command NOT to "teach nor usurp authority over the man". That is all.

 

[terrpn]

It is speaking of "teaching men" and "usurping authority over men". Because Titus 2, as posted above, also commands "aged women" to "teach" younger women. The "silence" part, is a command NOT to "teach nor usurp authority over the man". That is all.

The scripture is its best commentary, but man likes to muddy the waters so they can infuse their own doctrine, theology to suit their lifestyle and convenience.
We all do it, me included and am thankful for the Holy Spirit redirecting me back to sound doctrine if I go astray.

Psa. 116:11
“I said in my haste, All men are liars.”


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[Yeshua1]

It is speaking of "teaching men" and "usurping authority over men". Because Titus 2, as posted above, also commands "aged women" to "teach" younger women. The "silence" part, is a command NOT to "teach nor usurp authority over the man". That is all.

Are you saying God allows for women to teach in church?

 

[Yeshua1]

What we need in churches is faithful, doctrinal, sound, "sober, grave and temperate" older men, mentoring and teaching younger men how to be godly husbands and fathers and we need holy older women teaching young women how to be "proverbs 31" wives and mothers. There would be many more stable and happy homes if we did. and some of the things which need teaching are not suited for "mixed class". Know what I'm saying?

There is a wealth of information, on the subject, here.....

Titus 2
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.

7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

Is it different in a Church setting then? As know there are women professors in Christan schools that teach mixed classes, right?

 

[SheepWhisperer]

Are you saying God allows for women to teach in church?

No, not during the "service" I am not. If they teach back in a Sunday School room teaching other women or children I am.

 

[Yeshua1]

No, not during the "service" I am not. If they teach back in a Sunday School room teaching other women or children I am.

that is my understanding, that they are qualified to teach in Sunday school/children, but not as in a pastoral/Elder capacity in a local church.

 

[SheepWhisperer]

Is it different in a Church setting then? As know there are women professors in Christan schools that teach mixed classes, right?

Are these women professors teaching men and/or usurping authority over men? What does the Bible say? Does it say "only within a church setting"?

 

[terrpn]

I was just wondering if /why Baptists allow women missionaries to teach and lead overseas, but not here?

Do you personally know any women missionaries sent out, called by God to the Mission field without a husband, etc.?


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[Yeshua1]

Do you personally know any women missionaries sent out, called by God to the Mission field without a husband, etc.?


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yes, we support one who is a widow, and she is tot he Philippians, and recently headed up having a training center to teach new pastors and teachers raised up in her area over there.

 

[terrpn]

yes, we support one who is a widow, and she is tot he Philippians, and recently headed up having a training center to teach new pastors and teachers raised up in her area over there.

I would be interested in what scripture she uses as the basis for her calling?
Not a woman basher......., but there is no confusion in Paul’s writing?


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[Yeshua1]

I would be interested in what scripture she uses as the basis for her calling?
Not a woman basher......., but there is no confusion in Paul’s writing?


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Maybe God had called a man to go there, but they refused, and she stepped into the opening?
Actually, I think her and her husband went there on the mission field, and he passed, she continued on their work for the Lord!

 

[HankD]

Pauline epistle qualifies the subject very plainly and exact? I don’t get the confusion.......

1 Timothy 2:12 King James Version (KJV) 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

OK yes it is very plain and exact women can't pray, sing hymns, give a testimony or even talk to ANYONE - men, other women or children while in church "but to be in silence".