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[4His_glory]

Jacob,

To compare preachers of today with Christ and the Apostles in ludicrous. Christ was the Truth, He did not need to study it. The Apostles lived in a uniuqe time, and the revelation of God's Word was not complete yet.

To insinute that those of us who do study are not lead by the Spirit is unjust. I spend time in prayer and dillegent exegises of the Word and then arrange it into a manner in which my hears will hopefuly remember. I the give the message and trust God to do His part in working in peoples hearts.

 

[jacob62]

"To compare preachers of today with Christ and the Apostles is ludicrous." You are correct.Todays preachers are nothing like Christ.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by jacob62:
Your point is not made yet,you have not pointed out the scripture you are refering to.If and when you do,then we will see if I know or if I have to use an outside source.Otherwise talking about a unicorn is pointless.There are many people here that have not always pointed to a specific denom. or church.Independant christian.Have some integrity and ask me to leave instead of relying on your silly rules.So I suppose its safe to say your doctrine is "Bible Baptist"? The Troll

My point has been well made.
Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

 

[StefanM]

Why even read the Bible if the Spirit will give you everything you need to know without reading other books?

 

[StefanM]

Numbers 23:22
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Numbers 24:8
God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Deuteronomy 33:17
His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

Job 39:9
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

Job 39:10
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Psalm 22:21
Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

Psalm 29:6
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Psalm 92:10
But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

Isaiah 34:7
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

All scriptures from the KJV.

I'm tired of waiting for jacob62's response. Sorry, DHK.

 

[DHK]

Why even read the Bible if the Spirit will give you everything you need to know without reading other books?

I agree Stefan. It is a sorry sight when a man is not able to use a concordance or even read enough of the Bible to find out where something in the Bible is mentioned, and then claim that the Holy Spirit is guiding him!
DHK

 

[4His_glory]

Thank God that He has provided good tools for us to use to better understand His Word and communicate it to others.

 

[jacob62]

When God puts you in a situation to test your faith,you will not have time to get your bible or your study books.You will have to rely on the Holy Spirit to guide,faith to faith,not chapter to chapter.And BTW,someone sent me the unicorn info by private message.I did not ask.Now tell me what value knowing what a wild ox is,compared to you as a "preacher"getting up and preaching point blank,without study.I wonder what fruits you have from your ministry. And you still have not answered me DHK,where can I find your Bible Baptist doctrine? The Troll

 

[jacob62]

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by jacob62:
When God puts you in a situation to test your faith,you will not have time to get your bible or your study books.You will have to rely on the Holy Spirit to guide,faith to faith,not chapter to chapter.

This is not true.

Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Joshua was commanded to meditate on God's Word day and night. He waa commanded to have the Word of God on the tip of his tongue, ready to speak it, at all times. He could not do that unless he had it memorized. He had to study it and study it thoroughly. The Holy Spirit does not bring to mind Scripture that is not first studied, and even memorized.

One summer I worked in a factory which where the work was rather boring and tedious.
During that summer I memorized the Books of Romans, James, Ephesians, and First John. I also have many other verses or passages of Scripture memorized as well. It is those Scripture that the Holy Spirit brings to mind. God does not condone ignorance and slothfulness.

And BTW,someone sent me the unicorn info by private message.I did not ask.Now tell me what value knowing what a wild ox is,compared to you as a "preacher"getting up and preaching point blank,without study.I wonder what fruits you have from your ministry. And you still have not answered me DHK,where can I find your Bible Baptist doctrine? The Troll

Again you proved my point. Your information was not given you by the Holy Spirit, but by someone else. An email is not the Holy Spirit. The person who sent the email is not the Holy Spirit. The person who got the information for you was kind enough to look it up for you because you were to lazy to do it for yourself. Yes, the unicorn is a wild ox. Why couldn't you find that out for yourself?
DHK

 

[StefanM]

[sarcasm] If you were [snipped rude remark], you wouldn't even have to open your mouth to talk. They could get the gospel by spiritual osmosis![/sarcasm]


Sarcasm edited. Please check your p.m.'s.

[ May 15, 2005, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]

 

[jacob62]

Originally posted by StefanM:
[sarcasm] If you were [snipped rude remark], you wouldn't even have to open your mouth to talk. They could get the gospel by spiritual osmosis![/sarcasm]


Sarcasm edited. Please check your p.m.'s.

What are you saying,and to whom Stephan?

 

[StefanM]

I'm saying that to argue that the Holy Spirit cannot use outside study is absurdity.

My comment was a joke. The "you" is used in an idiomatic sense of any individual.

 

[wopik]

did Jesus intend that the day of His resurrection was to replace His Holy creation Sabbath ?

 

[BobRyan]

No.

#1. THe day of resurrection has no seven day sequence.

Christ the Creator's Holy Seventh day of Creation week is the REASON that a week is not 6 days. It is the only thing Christ the Creator made for mankind on that day of Creation week.

#2. There is no appelation for "week-day-one" in scripture like there is for "week-day-seven". God's Word says "The Seventh Day IS the Sabbath of the Lord your God" -- it is Christ the Creator's own Sabbath day and He is the one that makes the assignment, that explicitly says HE sanctifies it and makes IT a "Holy Day".

Nowhere in scripture does HE say that week-day-one is a Holy day or that it is sanctified OR that the resurrection is to be observed on a weekly cycle.

#3. Man-made tradition says that God's own law (and most specifically His OWN creation memorial holy day) is "nailed to the cross" rather than our DEBT of sin being nailed to the cross.

#4. Man-made tradition says that the resurrection of Christ should have a weekly cycle connected to it - that week-day-one should be "kept" like it was the object of the Creator's own Sabbath commandment. (This is a matter history - not merely opinion).

In other models for rejecting Christ the Creator's memorial of Creation, the Sabbath commandment of God does not continue in any form at all. It is not "edited" to apply to "Week-day-one" it is simply tossed in the trash. That means that "church attendance" and then do-as-you-please is the only thing we need to "observe".

Obviously church attendance on Tuesday/Wednesday or reven "week-day-one" is wonderful. But has nothing to do with Christ the Creator's Sabbath commandment.

#5. The Savior points out in Isaiah 66 that "From Sabbath to Sabbath" ALL mankind will come before God to worship.

Some have been "doing some work on that text" to try and undo what it clearly says. I applaud their recognition that leaving it "asis" is a problem for some commonly accepted preferences in man-made tradition.

#6. IN Mark 9 Christ condemns the "man-made tradition" that would "undo" and "rework" commmandment 5 - about honoring parents.

I think the point he makes there - holds for all Ten of God's Commandments.

(Ok so most of you knew I would post this kind of position on this subject by now. Nothing particularly surprising about that).

In Christ,

Bob

 

[prophecynut]

I found the following statement on www.adventist.org , would like confirmation from SDAs posting here. Thank you


"To help us understand how God can transform us into His children, Jesus modeled the process of baptism for us. Baptism symbolized dying to self and coming alive in Jesus. Seventh-day Adventists practice full immersion baptism because by being fully buried beneath the water we symbolize that God's grace fully fills us with His new life for the future. Through [water] baptism we are truly born again in Jesus."

 

[BobRyan]

We do not believe in "Baptismal regeneration". We believe Baptism is a "sign/symbol" of conversion and a testimony to that fact.

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html

27 Fundamental Beliefs - #14
14. Baptism:
By baptism we confess our faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and testify of our death to sin and of our purpose to walk in newness of life. Thus we acknowledge Christ as Lord and Saviour, become His people, and are received as members by His church. Baptism is a symbol of our union with Christ, the forgiveness of our sins, and our reception of the Holy Spirit. It is by immersion in water and is contingent on an affirmation of faith in Jesus and evidence of repentance of sin. It follows instruction in the Holy Scriptures and acceptance of their teachings. (Rom. 6:1-6; Col. 2:12, 13; Acts 16:30-33; 22:16; 2:38; Matt. 28:19, 20.)

 

[prophecynut]

I think Jesus intended to replace the Sabbath with the first day of the week as the holy day for the Church. There is no Scripture to back this up, rather it comes from tradition which Jesus started with His resurrection.

On the first day of the week Jesus was resurrected; the Church met together on the first day; the Lord's supper was on the first day and Pentecost 50 days after Passover was on the first day. John was caught up to heaven on the first day to see "what will take place" after the Church Age (Rev. 4:1). God will follow the same course with the Day of the Rapture on the first day of the week.

 

[wopik]

Hi prophecynut,

Pentecost 50 days after Passover was on the first day.

Pentecost was ALWAYS on the day after seven Sabbaths (Lev. 23:15).

Pentecost was on 'the first day of the week' back in Abraham's time --- centuries before Jesus.

In the NT, the first day of the week is still called nothing more than 'the first day of the week'.

Decades after Jesus' resurrection, the Sabbath is still called "the Sabbath".

I think Jesus intended to replace the Sabbath with the first day of the week as the holy day for the Church. There is no Scripture to back this up....

Quite right!

Nothing SCRIPTURAL to back it up.


Jesus, our Saviour, is 'Lord of the Sabbath Day' -- Matt. 12:8.

[ June 12, 2005, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: wopik ]

 

[BobRyan]

Originally posted by prophecynut:
I think Jesus intended to replace the Sabbath with the first day of the week as the holy day for the Church. There is no Scripture to back this up, rather it comes from tradition which Jesus started with His resurrection.

Christ speaks explicitly of the 7th day saying that it was made "Holy" and "Sanctified" And blessed in Gen 2:3. Hence we have a 7 day week - not a 6 day week. THE ONLY reason it is SEVEN days is Christ the Creator's SAbbath.

Christ then says in Mark 2:27 that the SABBATH is made fo mankind and that HE is the Lord of HIS OWN Sabbath - the 7th day.

Then in Isaiah 66 we find that Christ predicts that "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship".

Now lets "suppose" that the "intent" was to take this "Spoken-by-God Commandment" and "edit it" so that it would point to "Week-day-one". Such that KEEPING the TEN commandments would require observance of "WEEK DAY ONE" on a weekly basis -- the SAME as USED to be true for Sabbath.

So then God would need to "SAY SOMETHING" if HE cared at all about HIS OWN Ten Commandment Law - correct? Something like "I KNOW make this change and now week day one is to be CALLED SABBATH or CALLED Lord's Day". Then also point out that "From Sabbath to SAbbath" i really "From Lord's Day to Lord's Day" -- etc.

How COULD his argument for editing/breaking/changing the commandment be "man made tradition WHEN in Mark 7 Christ CONDEMNED all attempts to REPLACE God's COMMANDMENT with MAN's Tradition??

Wouldn't God have to "say" something?

OBviously - he could not let it rest on the same basis that He condemns in Mark 7.

In Christ,

Bob