Support the Troops by Ending the War

[Saved from the fire!]

I dont want to see our government like that either! The people do have the rule here and we voted Bush into office. By putting him into office we granted him the right to make decisions for our country and he decided to go to war fighting against terrorism. Now that we are at war we cant just pull out say well its been fun fighting with you, but we dont want to do it any more, we are done standing against terrorism, go on live your lives, we are going to be free over here in the US, you guys go on being persicuted and put to death by your dictators! So we need to continue to support the men that are fighting and the war; not only for our freedom but for the freedom of other countries. So that some day they may be able to worship freely, talk freely, and live freely. Are we to good to try and help other countries obtain freedom?

 

[Dragoon68]

World War 2 was a war of survival for the United States. We did not get into that war based on deceit and lies. Besides that, those leading WW2 knew what they were doing. A terrible comparison.

Was it a war of survival because of the threat of German or Japanese destruction of America?

Did it involve radical ideologies that were contrary to those of America? Were those a threat to America?

Did the war have it's origins outside our boundaries and eventually come to us? Did the war involve fighting among people of other nations before it did our own?

Did we partner with some less they desirable allies for the needs of the hour?

Were any mistakes made or setbacks encountered during the war? Were all the leaders perfect in everything they did? Did we suffer some military defeats?

Were all the generals effective leaders of their commands? Did anyone get replaced?

Did the weather always work to our favor?

Was our intelligence always complete and accurate? Did we ever get surprised for the better or for the worse?

Did many people publicly call our leaders stupid, incompetent, and liars?

Did celebrities rally to support the troops with entertainment or try to rally the troops to oppose the war?

Did we have all the equipment, weapons, ammunition, and supplies we needed immediately available to every warrior? Did some have to improvise until conditions could be improved?

Did all the nations that were involved immediately and forever love America?

Did all the actions we took find favor with all world historians? Did we kill any "innocent" people? Did we execute any spies or saboteurs? Were there any cases of murder or abuse?

Did we have to deal with governments that sometimes did not meet our expectations of the American way?

After the battles were won did we immediately pack up and leave?

Was there chaos and disorder in the lands immediately after the fighting?

Were all the problems solved forever? Were some of them at least set back for a while? Was peace restored at least for a while?

Did people support the troops by claiming the war was wrong and they needed to get out of it?

Did people want the military recruiters off the college and high school campuses?

Did other nations view us a nation with resolve to win or as a divided one that would defeat itself?

Did American's in general like the idea of sending their "young" men off to foreign lands to die for someone else's country.

Did people demand that the French, the Belgian, the Dutch, the Austrians, the British, the Chinese, the Koreans, etc. solve their own internal problems?

Did we win? Did we celebrate the victories?

Did we show compassion to those we vanquished? Did we punish the "war criminals"? Did we hang anyone?

Some answers are yes, some no, some maybe, and some sort but the comparisons are endless, intriguing, insightful, and interesting! The wars are all different - location, reasons, magnitude, tactics - yet all so similar in so many ways.

We should compare our conduct to that of our ancestors.

 

[LadyEagle]

This is America. I served in Iraq for one year. I knew Soldiers who had died and knew of Iraqis who were killed.

I looked at your profile, redbelt, and see that you are a Baptist military chaplain. God Bless You, Sir, and welcome to the Board. May God continue to bless you in your ministry for Him. I pray He will use you greatly in service.

Lady Eagle

PS: I suppose you have seen things that would make us all shudder. I commend you for your service. I must tell you that I respect those in our military who believe in the mission. But the actions of your Commander in Chief have led to this loss of support for the mission at home - that, and the belief that our military is caught in the middle of a civil war between the Shia and Sunni, which some of us predicted would end up happening years ago now, literally.

 

[carpro]

PS: I must tell you that I respect those in our military who believe in the mission. But the actions of your Commander in Chief have led to this loss of support for the mission at home - that, and the belief that our military is caught in the middle of a civil war between the Shia and Sunni, which some of us predicted would end up happening years ago now, literally.

I know that is what you think and maybe his actions haven't helped , but the yelping jackals of liberal land began almost immediately to try to undermine the mission. It has, of course, gotten worse over time.

 

[LadyEagle]

Carpro, I respect your opinion. It is my opinion now, after all this time has gone by, that liberals who want us out of Iraq have different reasons for wanting us to pull out than the conservatives who want us to pull out.

 

[KenH]

1) The people do have the rule here and we voted Bush into office.

2) By putting him into office we granted him the right to make decisions for our country

3) and he decided to go to war fighting against terrorism.

4) Are we to good to try and help other countries obtain freedom?

1) The people also voted the representatives and senators into the Congress - a co-equal branch of the federal government along with the executive and judicial branches.

2) Yes, along with the legislative and judicial branches of the federal government.

3) I agree with fighting the war with al Qaeda who attacked our nation on 9/11 - and before. Invading Iraq in March 2003 had nothing to do with the war with al Qaeda.

4) Our military does not exist for that mission. It exists to defend our U.S. constitution and ours alone. To quote John Quincy Adams, "America goes not abroad seeking monsters to destroy."

 

[KenH]

Was it a war of survival because of the threat of German or Japanese destruction of America?

Yes, during World War II they did. Iraq was not involved in the attacks on 9/11/2001 and had nothing with which to threaten the destruction of America with nor was it in the process of obtaining such means.

 

[Ed Edwards]

KenH: //3) I agree with fighting the war with al Qaeda who attacked
our nation on 9/11 - and before. Invading Iraq in March 2003
had nothing to do with the war with al Qaeda.//

I hear al Qaeda is recuiting terrorists to go to Iraq
to engage in the final Victory battle, now that the American
Great Satan is about to leave.
Will these terrorists be trained to blow up Iraqi
or Americans?

My opinion is that they will kill MILLIONS of Iraqi.
Unarmed Iraqi are easier to kill than armed Americans.

BTW, did anybody know the war in Afganistan continues?

Recall in 2005 on the 60th anniversery of the occupation
of Germany & the occupation of Japan - we saw the
color of victory -- occupation of the conquered country
sixty years later.

 

[KenH]

I hear al Qaeda is recuiting terrorists to go to Iraq
to engage in the final Victory battle

Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before we invaded Iraq. Therefore, if we had not invaded Iraq, then al Qaeda would not be in Iraq today. If, instead, we had sent 150,000 troops into Afghanistan we could have destroyed al Qaeda and their allies, the Taliban. And George W. Bush would be a hero.

But, now, we have a debacle in Iraq and failed to wipe out al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and Osama bin Forgotten by the Bush Administration escaped.

 

[El_Guero]

Don't you love it?

We claim that we are against a 'just' war. Or, we can claim that it is an 'unjust' war that we are against, and we are for the troops that conduct this 'unjust' war.

I don't want our troops there. But, our troops are fighting a 'just' war against an 'unjust' enemy.

I support the American Soldier. It is the Soldier that carries the war to the enemies of our Country and our way of life. They protect our freedom and our way of life.

I support them.

Many people say they support the troops, but they are against the war.

I have always wondered on thing. Suppose you lived in WWII Germany. You know your country invaded other countries without cause. Beacuse of this you are against the war effort (of Germany) as well as Adolf Hitler. Would you still be able to support the (German) troops, especially the SS troops?

Salty

 

[El_Guero]

May Our Lord continue to shine upon you!

Thank you for your service.

Wayne

Saddam gassed the Kurds and threatened the use of weapons of mass destruction. The French, the Russians, the British and other intelligence agencies believed the same thing we did about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. So when I continually hear that the President lied about going into Iraq, I guess all these others were intentionally lying too.

Saddam was given every opportunity to allow inspections and he chose to hold out. Perhaps he figured we wouldn't do anything. He failed by not complying with 17 UN resolutions. When he violated one resolution, the UN would simply issue another one. How many times do you tell someone who has killed thousands to stop or else?
How many times did he allow our aircraft to be shot at while we were enforcing the no fly zone?

I have never heard of a war that didn't have difficulties or problems. I sometimes wonder... if the press of today expressed these same opinions and if the congress were as divided about just leaving the War when we were fighting World War II as we hear now, would we have ever won? I'm afraid we would probably be speaking German.

I have personally seen the smiling Iraqi faces of people who were excited that they were free. I have talked to them. I know of some who were killed simply because they desired freedom. I know Soldiers who were killed fighting to give these people an opportunity for what we have... FREEDOM.

Every American has the freedom to express their opinion about the war... That's America. I just believe at the same time, those opposing the war must understand that there are consequences to every action.

Giving the enemy hope, denegrating our commander in chief, sending our enemies the message that we are divided about winning is very chilling.

I know some say, 'We support the troops' but then slam our mission and hurt our morale. That's your choice. Just understand that those things place our Soldiers and Marines in greater harm because they give our enemy hope.

The Viet Cong admitted that Jane Fonda's appearance and support led to increased morale for their cause. It led to greater torture of our POW's and demoralized our America troops.

This is America. I served in Iraq for one year. I knew Soldiers who had died and knew of Iraqis who were killed. Feel free to attack our commander in chief, feel free to tell our congressional leaders to send all the Soldiers home... Just understand that with your freedom also comes responsibilities. If the division seen in our country leads to one more IED or one more mortar or rocket attack on American troops... you are partially responsible.

Believe me, I don't want Soldiers there a day longer than they need to be. Soldiers above every else, hate war. We see it, feel it, smell it, taste it and experience it.

Bottom line... express your views, but be ready to take responsibility for your actions. Freedom is more that speaking ones mind... it's being willing to understand that there are consequences for what one says...That's Freedom!

 

[KenH]

I support them.

Amen. Me, too. :thumbs:

My brother and brother-in-law spent a year in Vietnam and my great nephew just finished a year in Iraq last summer.

May God bless all our military personnel - past, present, and future.

 

[carpro]

World War 2 was a war of survival for the United States. We did not get into that war based on deceit and lies.

The truth of both of both of those statements could be argued against very effectively.

 

[LadyEagle]

Here, carpro, give it your best shot - I started a new thread about it in the History Forum. Go for it....


http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=37289

 

[saturneptune]

Was it a war of survival because of the threat of German or Japanese destruction of America?

Did it involve radical ideologies that were contrary to those of America? Were those a threat to America?

Did the war have it's origins outside our boundaries and eventually come to us? Did the war involve fighting among people of other nations before it did our own?

Did we partner with some less they desirable allies for the needs of the hour?

Were any mistakes made or setbacks encountered during the war? Were all the leaders perfect in everything they did? Did we suffer some military defeats?

Were all the generals effective leaders of their commands? Did anyone get replaced?

Did the weather always work to our favor?

Was our intelligence always complete and accurate? Did we ever get surprised for the better or for the worse?

Did many people publicly call our leaders stupid, incompetent, and liars?

Did celebrities rally to support the troops with entertainment or try to rally the troops to oppose the war?

Did we have all the equipment, weapons, ammunition, and supplies we needed immediately available to every warrior? Did some have to improvise until conditions could be improved?

Did all the nations that were involved immediately and forever love America?

Did all the actions we took find favor with all world historians? Did we kill any "innocent" people? Did we execute any spies or saboteurs? Were there any cases of murder or abuse?

Did we have to deal with governments that sometimes did not meet our expectations of the American way?

After the battles were won did we immediately pack up and leave?

Was there chaos and disorder in the lands immediately after the fighting?

Were all the problems solved forever? Were some of them at least set back for a while? Was peace restored at least for a while?

Did people support the troops by claiming the war was wrong and they needed to get out of it?

Did people want the military recruiters off the college and high school campuses?

Did other nations view us a nation with resolve to win or as a divided one that would defeat itself?

Did American's in general like the idea of sending their "young" men off to foreign lands to die for someone else's country.

Did people demand that the French, the Belgian, the Dutch, the Austrians, the British, the Chinese, the Koreans, etc. solve their own internal problems?

Did we win? Did we celebrate the victories?

Did we show compassion to those we vanquished? Did we punish the "war criminals"? Did we hang anyone?

Some answers are yes, some no, some maybe, and some sort but the comparisons are endless, intriguing, insightful, and interesting! The wars are all different - location, reasons, magnitude, tactics - yet all so similar in so many ways.

We should compare our conduct to that of our ancestors.

Then the qualities of the leadership in this country should compare to those of our ancestors. If you cannot see a difference between Bush and Truman, Roosevelt and Eisenhower, then you need to retake a history course.

 

[saturneptune]

The truth of both of both of those statements could be argued against very effectively.

I doubt it. Now, if you want to compare the stupidity of Bush and LBJ, now you may have a case there, but not why we got into WW2. If Bush had been in charge during WW2 with his never lifted a hand to serve the country VP, imagine the consequences. Think about Iraq now, and imagine that idiotic leadership bringing us through WW2.

 

[hillclimber1]

changed mind.....all done

 

[hillclimber1]

changed mind...all done

 

[saturneptune]

I'm tired of you people that claim to "support the troops" but condemn their efforts at securing peace. You'll hammer non-stop at ending this "unjust, unfair, uncalled for, GWB oil grab, insist on perpetuating a notion that our troops are baby killers, torturers, etc, and you make me sick.

You DO NOT support our troops.

You will get over it. No one in this thread said what you quoted above, a pseudo conclusion, as are many you make.

 

[carpro]

I doubt it.

Of course you do.

But, There is much historical evidence that FDR intentionally provoked Japan into an attack.

And of course, neither Japan nor Germany had the capability to conquer mainland USA, so it was not a fight for survival. That is not to say our entry into WWII was unnecessary, but not the "war of survival" you make it out to be. Instead it was necessary to enter the war to keep it from becoming a war of survival. Much like today.