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Supreme Court Blocks Trump Tariffs

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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
www.foxnews.com

Supreme Court rules on Trump tariffs in major test of executive branch powers

The Supreme Court ruled on one of the president's signature economic achievements, which Trump has billed the tariff case as 'life or death' for the US economy.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

One SC judge has said the US may be required to return millions in tariffs.

John Roberts said the power of tariffs belongs to Congress.
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This means that fat check we were looking for from the tariffs is no more.
 
DaveXR650

DaveXR650

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Charlie24 said:
One SC judge has said the US may be required to return millions in tariffs.
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I wonder who "the US" will return the money to. If you follow WSJ or National Review the standard argument was that we as consumers are the ones paying the tariffs. What are the odds we will see any refunds?
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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If any is returned it will go to the ones who imported the materials, the companies. Now whether they will pass that along is another question.

Plus do you think the admin will just return it or will they only do it after the importer's sue to get the $'s returned?
 
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Charlie24

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DaveXR650 said:
Oh yeah. And the same sources kept claiming that there was really no money being taken in. So where is the money to return?
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The Treasury recorded $195 Billion increase in 2025 from global tariffs.

From what I hear Trump is pulling Executive strings in his power.

We will have to wait and see what actually happens.
 
Ben1445

Ben1445

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I heard it was being donated to some daycares that have lost their source of income.
It’s always good to diversify. A little revenue from a grant is always good to be balanced out by a customer base.
But you know the Somali proverb, “Put all your neighbors eggs in one basket.”

But my joke is fleeing the topic. I’ll stop.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Does he not know the American citizens pay those tariffs?

He has just taxed his own citizens $195 Billion.

Now that is the kind of leader I can do without.

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Charlie24

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Salty said:
Wait!! I thought what ever King Trump said - goes!!!
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I heard 2 different Constitution experts say Trump can use the tariffs the way he is doing under several sections of the Constitution.

They said the SCOTUS decision is under just one of those sections.

They also said this decision was to hopefully engage Congress, citing Trump is overreaching with Executive power.

But it may turn out King Trump will do whatever he wants anyway.
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
I heard 2 different Constitution experts say Trump can use the tariffs the way he is doing under several sections of the Constitution.

They said the SCOTUS decision is under just one of those sections.

They also said this decision was to hopefully engage Congress, citing Trump is overreaching with Executive power.

But it may turn out King Trump will do whatever he wants anyway.
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Judge Kavanaugh ruled for Trump and in his ruling quoted the other sections of the Constitution that allowed him tariff control in different situations without engaging Congress.

So it will be interesting how this turns out.
 
canadyjd

canadyjd

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I think he referenced existing federal law that allows for these tariffs.

So the blather about going through Congress for the tariffs is nonsense. The Congress has already given the Executive branch the authority for tariffs.

Every POTUS has used tariffs. It’s only when DT also uses them do the courts intervene. How surprising.

Peace to you
 
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Charlie24

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canadyjd said:
I think he referenced existing federal law that allows for these tariffs.

So the blather about going through Congress for the tariffs is nonsense. The Congress has already given the Executive branch the authority for tariffs.

Every POTUS has used tariffs. It’s only when DT also uses them do the courts intervene. How surprising.

Peace to you
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Yes, that was brought up also, and I agree, and if any of it is left to Congress nothing will get done.

It seems it's the same as us here on the boards, whose interpretation is the correct one?
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
Yes, that was brought up also, and I agree, and if any of it is left to Congress nothing will get done.

It seems it's the same as us here on the boards, whose interpretation is the correct one?
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It's like Treasury Sec. Bessent said, the POTUS has a great big tool box to pull from.

I'm thinking it's a bullet he can dodge and carry on.
 
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Van

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The power of the president to establish tariffs was NOT overturned, but the court did overturn the basis in law cited by the administration for his existing tariffs. They will be reestablished by executive action citing our existing and congressionally authorized laws.

The question NOT addressed is whether the tariffs can be retroactively imposed based on the fact the President had the actual power to impose them, but cited the wrong basis.

Time will tell...
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Salty said:
The purpose is for Americians to buy American-made -- which makes more jobs for americians
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I understand that. The real problem is that the cost of those American made things will go up as the inputs to those American made things are tariffed so the costs will go up for you Americans.

Plus those things are now more expensive if you try to export so your exports fall.

Does not sound like a win for the US.
 
777

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don't see why so many were surprised, the arguments before SCOTUS last fall had most of them very skeptical of the constitutionality of it all. And, yeah, it was a very narrow ruling but surprised Kavanaugh dissented after the way he ran his mouth against them back then A tariff's a tax, that's what they said, and I can't disagree here. Ze ruling:


didn't address any refund mechanism at all, forget it. This is what Trump is invoking for the new 15 percent thing:


needs Congressional approval after 150 days but now they're saying that's no prohibition to keep declaring some emergency on end.
 
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