Supreme Court Blocks Trump Tariffs

[canadyjd]

I understand that. The real problem is that the cost of those American made things will go up as the inputs to those American made things are tariffed so the costs will go up for you Americans.

Plus those things are now more expensive if you try to export so your exports fall.

Does not sound like a win for the US.

The only thing DT did was to impose the same tariffs on other countries that they put on our products.

That seems fair to me.

Personally, I think it’s outrageous American companies produce products in countries with little or no safety standards, pollution standards, or restrictions on child labor and or slave labor, so they can charge Americans $500 for a pair of sneakers.

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

The only thing DT did was to impose the same tariffs on other countries that they put on our products.

That seems fair to me.

Personally, I think it’s outrageous American companies produce products in countries with little or no safety standards, pollution standards, or restrictions on child labor and or slave labor, so they can charge Americans $500 for a pair of sneakers.

Peace to you

Tariffs do not help any country. They just put a tax on their own people.

I agree with you comment on no safety standards, pollution standards, or restrictions on child labor and or slave labor. But then you should be angry with the American companies that do that.

 

[canadyjd]

Tariffs do not help any country. They just put a tax on their own people.

I agree with you comment on no safety standards, pollution standards, or restrictions on child labor and or slave labor. But then you should be angry with the American companies that do that.

I’m angry at the politicians that put the regulations in place that allow a company to produce overseas with child labor, no safety standards etc, ship it back and still make better profits, while burying companies at home with burdensome regulations.

I’m not mad at DT. He’s leveling the playing field with foreign nations, has already resulted in good trade deals, and brought in lots of money.

Inflation remains much lower than under Biden. All the talk of consumers paying higher prices hasn’t really happened, despite the claims it would.

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

I’m angry at the politicians that put the regulations in place that allow a company to produce overseas with child labor, no safety standards etc, ship it back and still make better profits, while burying companies at home with burdensome regulations.

I’m not mad at DT. He’s leveling the playing field with foreign nations, has already resulted in good trade deals, and brought in lots of money.

Inflation remains much lower than under Biden. All the talk of consumers paying higher prices hasn’t really happened, despite the claims it would.

Peace to you

The problem is that those tariff cost will end up being passed on to the American consumer.

Sooner or later tariffs always cost the citizens of the country that imposes them.

 

[canadyjd]

The problem is that those tariff cost will end up being passed on to the American consumer.

Sooner or later tariffs always cost the citizens of the country that imposes them.

What is the source for this statement?

It’s keeps being said… over and over… but inflation has gone down since DT took office and imposed the tariffs.

Many of those countries have negotiated new trade deals that lowered tariffs for both countries, lowering prices for consumers.

Do you give DT any credit for this improvement in lower inflation rates and lowering prices due to his trade policies?

The tariffs level the playing field. American companies realize they can produce their goods here and make a profit, bringing jobs and tax revenue back to the U.S.

Give DT credit for the improving economy.

Peace to you

 

[Ben1445]

But then you should be angry with the American companies that do that.

I am. Tariffs help correct it. It makes it so that we are not just angry people. We are actually doing something about it. But when you rock the boat, it bothers people. Sometimes some companies have to learn the hard way. Tariffs are the hard way.

 

[Ben1445]

What is the source for this statement?

It’s keeps being said… over and over… but inflation has gone down since DT took office and imposed the tariffs.

Many of those countries have negotiated new trade deals that lowered tariffs for both countries, lowering prices for consumers.

Do you give DT any credit for this improvement in lower inflation rates and lowering prices due to his trade policies?

The tariffs level the playing field. American companies realize they can produce their goods here and make a profit, bringing jobs and tax revenue back to the U.S.

Give DT credit for the improving economy.

Peace to you

It hasn’t improved SH’s economy. He is on the outside looking in. But his side of the window is dirty and he can’t see it as well as you and I.

 

[Ben1445]

All the talk of consumers paying higher prices hasn’t really happened, despite the claims it would.

In the words of the media, inflation continues to drop in spite of President Trump’s efforts to lower inflation.

I think that statement was originally made in reference to crime. But it is just the way they think.

 

[Silverhair]

What is the source for this statement?

It’s keeps being said… over and over… but inflation has gone down since DT took office and imposed the tariffs.

Many of those countries have negotiated new trade deals that lowered tariffs for both countries, lowering prices for consumers.

Do you give DT any credit for this improvement in lower inflation rates and lowering prices due to his trade policies?

The tariffs level the playing field. American companies realize they can produce their goods here and make a profit, bringing jobs and tax revenue back to the U.S.

Give DT credit for the improving economy.

Peace to you

It does not matter what you think he has done for the economy.

The reality is that the tariffs will have to be paid by someone and that someone is the US citizens.

The companies will not eat those higher costs so they will be passed along.

As for him will the only thing that I see he has done is make the US a untrustworthy nation.

You think he is wonderful that is your option.

I think he is rather a self-aggrandizing fool.

 

[canadyjd]

It hasn’t improved SH’s economy. He is on the outside looking in. But his side of the window is dirty and he can’t see it as well as you and I.

Oh yeah, he’s up yonder in Canada

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

Oh yeah, he’s up yonder in Canada

Peace to you

The truth is that I am not the one in love with Trum*.

You two are wearing blinders and rose coloured glasses.

The world is turning away from the US as it is too unstable and unreliable.

He has shown that contracts and signed agreements mean nothing to him.

You do not even believe your media

The New York Federal Reserve has published research indicating that U.S. consumers and businesses bear the majority of the costs from tariffs imposed in 2025, with nearly 90% of the economic burden falling on them. This contradicts claims from the Trump administration that tariffs primarily benefit the U.S. economy.

 

[Charlie24]

The truth is that I am not the one in love with Trum*.

You two are wearing blinders and rose coloured glasses.

The world is turning away from the US as it is too unstable and unreliable.

He has shown that contracts and signed agreements mean nothing to him.

You do not even believe your media

The New York Federal Reserve has published research indicating that U.S. consumers and businesses bear the majority of the costs from tariffs imposed in 2025, with nearly 90% of the economic burden falling on them. This contradicts claims from the Trump administration that tariffs primarily benefit the U.S. economy.

Looks like Trump will continue the tariffs, let's give the economy some time through '26 and see what happens.

 

[DaveXR650]

Looks like Trump will continue the tariffs, let's give the economy some time through '26 and see what happens.

Tariffs don't directly benefit the economy. But over time they could induce some manufacturing back into the United States. The only real way to peaceably produce wealth for a nation is to make things or grow things. We have quit doing that and instead think we can all become rich by making each other fancy coffees with little designs on top and giving everyone a degree in some type of grievance studies whereupon they are hired by companies who are shells of what they once were but at least the quotas are met and the unqualified workers are out of the way so they can't do too much harm to the remaining real work.

Trump was wrong in the way he did tariffs. Some leader says something Trump doesn't like and the next day they have massive tariffs to deal with. That's not the way to do economic policy. And the idea that a trade deficit is equivalent to a tariff is baloney too. But bringing back manufacturing to the US was a good idea but we can't do it because we can't do anything long term. Congress should be doing this and doing it carefully, systematically, and long term. But instead, they are going to wait out Trump and Trump will say enough stupid things in his speech tonight to probably ruin any chance for Vance or Rubio so we will soon be back to Democrat control with Republicans back to their role of slowing down and managing the decline in a collegiate manner, with dignity, of course.

 

[Charlie24]

Tariffs don't directly benefit the economy. But over time they could induce some manufacturing back into the United States. The only real way to peaceably produce wealth for a nation is to make things or grow things. We have quit doing that and instead think we can all become rich by making each other fancy coffees with little designs on top and giving everyone a degree in some type of grievance studies whereupon they are hired by companies who are shells of what they once were but at least the quotas are met and the unqualified workers are out of the way so they can't do too much harm to the remaining real work.

Trump was wrong in the way he did tariffs. Some leader says something Trump doesn't like and the next day they have massive tariffs to deal with. That's not the way to do economic policy. And the idea that a trade deficit is equivalent to a tariff is baloney too. But bringing back manufacturing to the US was a good idea but we can't do it because we can't do anything long term. Congress should be doing this and doing it carefully, systematically, and long term. But instead, they are going to wait out Trump and Trump will say enough stupid things in his speech tonight to probably ruin any chance for Vance or Rubio so we will soon be back to Democrat control with Republicans back to their role of slowing down and managing the decline in a collegiate manner, with dignity, of course.

LOL, could be, Trump says what he thinks and doesn't care who likes it or not.

On the tariffs, I know other presidents have used them but it was never used as Trump is doing it, and it was never such a big deal.

I don't really understand all the economics on it, but I suppose I will be learning something about that as '26 rolls along.

 

[DaveXR650]

The reality is that the tariffs will have to be paid by someone and that someone is the US citizens.

What happens is that on goods there is a point above which a consumer won't pay. If an English made fly reel costs $400.00 and they move production to China where they can produce them for $30.00 does the company then sell it to the consumer for say $40.00? No, they get as close to $400.00 as they can, as long as the market will bear it and keep the rest.

So what's going on? Fact is, the English company could have gotten the final price down to $300.00 and still made them in England, and the Chinese in reality are not just manufacturing geniuses but instead artificially manipulate their currency and worker wages to make darn sure they undercut the English company. Then, when the English company is dismantled guess what happens to the price of the Chinese fly reel? It goes way up.

In the mean time, the Chinese have massive cash flow of money from other countries which they put into private equity firms based in Dubai and Beijing and begin buying up farmland, hospitals, and so on from Canada, US and Europe. The hospitals are especially cheap because they went bankrupt because they took care of 1000's of people who had no real ability to pay but got care anyway which was written off or paid by the states. (This I have personal experience with). The people had no ability to pay because they derived their income from manufacturing jobs which went to China - yet they still had the audacity to get sick.

Bottom line is that a tariff can mitigate the above damage somewhat and my point is that some of that cost is met by the consumer, but the manufacturing company and the country currently producing the product all have room in their profit margins to pay too. That is why lawsuits to recovery Trumps tariffs are meaningless. All this is dynamic and is difficult to predict. Jobs saved in U.S. or Canada mean employees contributing taxes and paying real money for insurance for health care and so on. That has not been argued in most of these discussions.

 

[Charlie24]

What happens is that on goods there is a point above which a consumer won't pay. If an English made fly reel costs $400.00 and they move production to China where they can produce them for $30.00 does the company then sell it to the consumer for say $40.00? No, they get as close to $400.00 as they can, as long as the market will bear it and keep the rest.

So what's going on? Fact is, the English company could have gotten the final price down to $300.00 and still made them in England, and the Chinese in reality are not just manufacturing geniuses but instead artificially manipulate their currency and worker wages to make darn sure they undercut the English company. Then, when the English company is dismantled guess what happens to the price of the Chinese fly reel? It goes way up.

In the mean time, the Chinese have massive cash flow of money from other countries which they put into private equity firms based in Dubai and Beijing and begin buying up farmland, hospitals, and so on from Canada, US and Europe. The hospitals are especially cheap because they went bankrupt because they took care of 1000's of people who had no real ability to pay but got care anyway which was written off or paid by the states. (This I have personal experience with). The people had no ability to pay because they derived their income from manufacturing jobs which went to China - yet they still had the audacity to get sick.

Bottom line is that a tariff can mitigate the above damage somewhat and my point is that some of that cost is met by the consumer, but the manufacturing company and the country currently producing the product all have room in their profit margins to pay too. That is why lawsuits to recovery Trumps tariffs are meaningless. All this is dynamic and is difficult to predict. Jobs saved in U.S. or Canada mean employees contributing taxes and paying real money for insurance for health care and so on. That has not been argued in most of these discussions.

It seems to me the lop-sided global tariffs against the US can't be a good thing for us.

Trump wants to create a balance in tariffs and he's going to get it.

We may have to weather the initial storm but as time plays out we are for the better.

 

[Silverhair]

Looks like Trump will continue the tariffs, let's give the economy some time through '26 and see what happens.

Time will tell. But history has shown that tariffs do not really do much good. They tend to hurt the country that imposes them.

But from what we see it is the irrational responses that come from Trum* the are the bigger problem.

He has made the US an unreliable trading partner.

 

[Charlie24]

Time will tell. But history has shown that tariffs do not really do much good. They tend to hurt the country that imposes them.

But from what we see it is the irrational responses that come from Trum* the are the bigger problem.

He has made the US an unreliable trading partner.

But over all would you say with results still coming in, he is Making America Great Again?

Now I'm not asking how the world see's him, but the effect on America becoming great again.

 

[Silverhair]

What happens is that on goods there is a point above which a consumer won't pay. If an English made fly reel costs $400.00 and they move production to China where they can produce them for $30.00 does the company then sell it to the consumer for say $40.00? No, they get as close to $400.00 as they can, as long as the market will bear it and keep the rest.

So what's going on? Fact is, the English company could have gotten the final price down to $300.00 and still made them in England, and the Chinese in reality are not just manufacturing geniuses but instead artificially manipulate their currency and worker wages to make darn sure they undercut the English company. Then, when the English company is dismantled guess what happens to the price of the Chinese fly reel? It goes way up.

In the mean time, the Chinese have massive cash flow of money from other countries which they put into private equity firms based in Dubai and Beijing and begin buying up farmland, hospitals, and so on from Canada, US and Europe. The hospitals are especially cheap because they went bankrupt because they took care of 1000's of people who had no real ability to pay but got care anyway which was written off or paid by the states. (This I have personal experience with). The people had no ability to pay because they derived their income from manufacturing jobs which went to China - yet they still had the audacity to get sick.

Bottom line is that a tariff can mitigate the above damage somewhat and my point is that some of that cost is met by the consumer, but the manufacturing company and the country currently producing the product all have room in their profit margins to pay too. That is why lawsuits to recovery Trumps tariffs are meaningless. All this is dynamic and is difficult to predict. Jobs saved in U.S. or Canada mean employees contributing taxes and paying real money for insurance for health care and so on. That has not been argued in most of these discussions.

Yes the manufacturing sector has been hollowed out because the shareholder wants to make more $$.

The company is not going to eat the tariff as that cuts into their profit margin which means less for the shareholder which means share price goes down and leads to stock sell off which leads to lower share price and the cycle continues.

Plus you have to look at the raw inputs that the companies need. Oil, minerals, steel, aluminum, potash, without those they cannot operate. Those cost will be passed on.

But the biggest problem for the US is the fact that he has made the US an unreliable trading partner.

When he governs by tweets and lashes out like a hurt child he can not be trusted.

That is why you see so many countries building trading blocks that exclude the US.

Will they trade with the US, sure but it will be on a completely different level.

The US is not the only game in town any more.

 

[Silverhair]

But over all would you say with results still coming in, he is Making America Great Again?

Now I'm not asking how the world see's him, but the effect on America becoming great again.

NO actually I would not.

When the world sees the US as unreliable that is the opposite of MAGA.

The US cannot survive in isolation even though they think they can.

In this modern world no country can survive on it's own.

I can understand that the average US citizen wants to believe that all is getting better.

Trum* thinks that for the US to win everyone else has to loose. That is foolish.

He just shows how little he understands the world of international trade.

Bring it down to the level of your own home. You need someone else to provide the gas for you car, someone else to provide the means of heating your home and keeping the lights on, someone to grow the food you eat.

What shocks me the most is that the people he has around him are supposed to be smart business people but they are either afraid to disagree with him or they are not that smart.