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Swimwear

Michael Wrenn

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GOOD GRAVY!!!!!

I would go swimming buck neckid before I wore that horrible....er.. umm.......well, I guess buck neckid would violate the whole modesty thing. :eek:

Surely, you are just joshin' us, FAL. :flower:

When I first looked at the pictures, my initial reaction was: Amish at the beach! :)
 

Oldtimer

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I also grew up on the beach in Florida, and after you see literally thousands of women in bikinis it is not that big a deal. In fact, there are many women who should not wear bikinis that do.

I had to grin at that one.

What's an appropriate term to use when swimwear makes you want to tell someone to put on some more fabric? When their bikini/speedo makes you want to look at something other than stuffed sausages (for lack of a better description).
 

freeatlast

New Member
I recall hearing stories of how some preachers back in the 1940s -1950s would rant and rave about the "sin" of men wearing colored shirts.

I guess these preachers didn't have enough time to spend on preaching what is really "the whole counsel of God."

What were they basing it on?
 

ktn4eg

New Member
What were they basing it on?

Who knows? I wasn't there to hear their rants first-hand so I have no idea on what they might have based their opinions.

I say "their opinions" because as of yet I haven't found any particular scriptural basis for them. Moreover, I don't plan to waste any of my time trying to research why they said what they did.

Anyway, this thread is supposed to be about swimwear, not the color of men's shirts.

I apologize for what might be viewed by some as an attempt to derail this thread. I will say no more about what doesn't concern the matter for which this thread was started.
 

PamelaK

New Member
While I don't find these overly attractive, I don't personally find them that ugly, necessarily - maybe hot, but not ugly - but I would say that would be for walking around the beach town maybe, -and when it's a bit cooler!! For the shoreline and running in and out of the water and/or swimminig, I think these particular ones would draw undue attention, and a part of modesty as I understand it is not drawing undue attention to oneself. For those ladies feeling more comfortable covering up this much, I say fine, but there is more attractive and "beachy" - and LIGHTER!!! - stuff out there. I have friends who cover up more in this way at the beach and I have seen them in pics on facebook. I would never attempt to copy their pics here but I can assure you they look very cute and fashionable and "beachy" while still covering up maybe just a little less than this, but not much. Nobody's going to be looking at them twice or wondering when they are going to be dropping from heat stroke (or drowning).

Also, for the record, I just have to say something. Am not intending to derail the thread at all but I believe I saw something not only mentioned here but somewhere in the link and so I think my comment does fit in in a way. I am seeing a disturbing trend - disturbing to me, anyway - with many Christians trying to de-emphasize the feminine form in an unhealthy way. I am referring to the use of bright color to draw the eye away from the upper body. I can totally understand not wanting to over-emphasize, or "flaunt" immodestly, but why take steps to try to hide or avoid the form when it is covered modestly? I have several friends who were discussing the new trend in wedding gowns of many brides wearing colored sashes. I've seen this done very tastefully and it can be quite pretty. The couple ones I've seen with brides that I know personally I know that the brides were not trying to do anything but just use a fashion that they found attractive. But my friends who were discussing it said it is very important for brides to do something like this to draw the eye away from the upper part of the dress. And they were specifically discussing photos of lovely dresses that were one hundred percent modest and covering everything. And I mean everything. They had short sleeves and higher necklines. Hello, people! God made men and women different and there is NOTHING to be ashamed of. I am seeing more and more of this talk on facebook and in blogs and it is, frankly, making me angry. Am I nuts or what? There. I have vented. :laugh:
 
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DiamondLady

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Also, for the record, I just have to say something. Am not intending to derail the thread at all but I believe I saw something not only mentioned here but somewhere in the link and so I think my comment does fit in in a way. I am seeing a disturbing trend - disturbing to me, anyway - with many Christians trying to de-emphasize the feminine form in an unhealthy way. <snipped> I am seeing more and more of this talk on facebook and in blogs and it is, frankly, making me angry. AM I nuts or what? There. I have vented. :laugh:

PamelaK, God made our bodies to be enjoyed by our spouse. Period, end of story. We are to be modest in our attire, dressing in such a way as to not draw the eye to our body but instead to our face and to our manner of speaking.

I've seen women who are covered from head to toe and are still immodest because of their speech. I know there are many who believe women should not wear slacks. I do not count myself among those but I do limit myself to slacks that are clearly feminine and wear tops that cover the area of my body that belongs to my husband. I might add I did not always feel this way, nor dress this way. I went through a period (of about two years) where God did not give me the liberty to wear anything BUT dresses. (I did wear crop pants while taking physical therapy for an injured knee after the 1st time in a dress! LOL) Sometimes God has to change our focus from what we wear to the condition of our heart.

Here's my take on the subject. If one is dressing to emphasize or call attention to their "assets" it is not right and not modest. If one speaks loudly, laughs outrageously, etc. in order to draw attention to themselves, it is equally immodest. If your clothing is overly tight, low-cut, etc., that's immodest. If your clothing fits well, your voice soft and ladylike, your smile your best asset, then I'd say you're on the right track. If you're unsure...ask God what's right. He'll definitely let you know.
 

agedman

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PamelaK, God made our bodies to be enjoyed by our spouse. Period, end of story. We are to be modest in our attire, dressing in such a way as to not draw the eye to our body but instead to our face and to our manner of speaking.

I've seen women who are covered from head to toe and are still immodest because of their speech. I know there are many who believe women should not wear slacks. I do not count myself among those but I do limit myself to slacks that are clearly feminine and wear tops that cover the area of my body that belongs to my husband. I might add I did not always feel this way, nor dress this way. I went through a period (of about two years) where God did not give me the liberty to wear anything BUT dresses. (I did wear crop pants while taking physical therapy for an injured knee after the 1st time in a dress! LOL) Sometimes God has to change our focus from what we wear to the condition of our heart.

Here's my take on the subject. If one is dressing to emphasize or call attention to their "assets" it is not right and not modest. If one speaks loudly, laughs outrageously, etc. in order to draw attention to themselves, it is equally immodest. If your clothing is overly tight, low-cut, etc., that's immodest. If your clothing fits well, your voice soft and ladylike, your smile your best asset, then I'd say you're on the right track. If you're unsure...ask God what's right. He'll definitely let you know.

Very Good thinking!!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 

HAMel

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PamelaK, I don't think you're nuts at all!

Oliver Green used to identify Righteousness as Right-Living. The Bible is chocked full from cover to cover about Right-Living. As you know, Proverbs just bubbles over with instruction(s) and insight(s).

If an individual is saved the Lord will convict them should they run the beach inappropriately. If nothing else, over time and with some age many will just begin to cover up our of necessity. If these folks are un-convict-able they will be left to their own devices until such time as they are over-whelmed with their decisions.

The problem here at the beach..., or even in China's Wal-Mart is many of us assume an attitude toward others which, if examined..., is contrary to our own sense of Right-Living.

...none of us have to look..., or judge, if we don't approve. You just stay the course. I was told once the first look is okay. The second look is the problem. :laugh:
 

PamelaK

New Member
Diamond Lady, I think for the most part from what I can tell you and I agree. And maybe 100%. I am just of the opinion - for instance, using my example of the sash on the wedding gown - that if a bride is modestly dressed she does not need to go any further to add a colored sash if she is not interested in that style merely to draw attention to her face because she has a different form from a man. And if I am modestly attired and not overemphasizing anything, I should not have to take further steps to use a color in a particular way, or further cover up just because of my form. Perhaps that is where we part company, I don't know. But thank you for your thoughtful response.
 

agedman

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Diamond Lady, I think for the most part from what I can tell you and I agree. And maybe 100%. I am just of the opinion - for instance, using my example of the sash on the wedding gown - that if a bride is modestly dressed she does not need to go any further to add a colored sash if she is not interested in that style merely to draw attention to her face because she has a different form from a man. And if I am modestly attired and not overemphasizing anything, I should not have to take further steps to use a color in a particular way, or further cover up just because of my form. Perhaps that is where we part company, I don't know. But thank you for your thoughtful response.

The covering of the "form" isn't modesty. It is the enhancing that becomes problematic.

Woman, by nature, desire a certain admiration for their form and will adorn it in such a way as to not only be in style, but to attract.

Rare is the real woman that is not put off by the leer; however, they generally are graciously accepting and flattered by the first look with the accompanying sweep of the eyes. That is problematic with modesty and something that the Godly woman must discern.

Is the sweep of the eye worthy of the righteousness of Christ living in them?
Is the woman enhancing the attributes of Godly righteousness, or of fleshly entrapment?
When does vanity become vane?
 

PamelaK

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The covering of the "form" isn't modesty. It is the enhancing that becomes problematic.

Woman, by nature, desire a certain admiration for their form and will adorn it in such a way as to not only be in style, but to attract.

Rare is the real woman that is not put off by the leer; however, they generally are graciously accepting and flattered by the first look with the accompanying sweep of the eyes. That is problematic with modesty and something that the Godly woman must discern.

Is the sweep of the eye worthy of the righteousness of Christ living in them?
Is the woman enhancing the attributes of Godly righteousness, or of fleshly entrapment?
When does vanity become vane?


Interesting post, agedman. Just to be crystal clear here, I am not in the slightest way looking for attention from any other man than my husband. Just do not feel it is necessary for a modestly attired woman who is not overemphasizing anything to have to jump through hoops to hide the form God made her with. Not saying you were saying I am, but just wanted to make that extra clarification.
 

annsni

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Interesting post, agedman. Just to be crystal clear here, I am not in the slightest way looking for attention from any other man than my husband. Just do not feel it is necessary for a modestly attired woman who is not overemphasizing anything to have to jump through hoops to hide the form God made her with. Not saying you were saying I am, but just wanted to make that extra clarification.

Wholly agree. I have breasts. Deal with it! I don't show them off but they are there. I'm not going to wear oversized shirts and bind my breasts to pretend they are not there. I'm a woman. God made me this way!
 

targus

New Member
Agreed :thumbs:

The link should be renamed "Amish swimwear"

My first thought was "Taliban".

I used to live near "Camp Dearborn" which is a camping park owned by the city of Dearborn, MI. It's about an hour drive from Dearborn, MI sort of out in the country.

The park has a swimming beach. In the summer it was not uncommon to see cars full of highschool aged kids of Middle Eastern decent from Dearborn, MI heading for Camp Dearborn....

It was quite a scene on the beach with the boys in swimsuits and gold chains and no shirts and the girls wrapped from head to toe in black robes sitting in the hot beach sand under the blazing sun.
 

DiamondLady

New Member
Wholly agree. I have breasts. Deal with it! I don't show them off but they are there. I'm not going to wear oversized shirts and bind my breasts to pretend they are not there. I'm a woman. God made me this way!

I do not believe that he is suggesting breast binding, but rather to dress in a way so that your breasts are not hanging out the top of your dress or blouse. If in doubt, ask your husband what's the first thing he looks at when you wear a specific outfit. Mine will tell me, without hesitation, if something is too low-cut. I don't know about you but I don't WANT another man looking at my breasts.
 

Jim1999

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I really don't care what anyone wears on the beach. It is what so many, these days, wear whilst sitting in the front rows of churches where a poor preacher has to look down over the congregation.

I pastored at a summer resort. One woman came and asked me if it was ok to come to church without a hat. I told her to come in a swimsuit; just come. Not sure what I might have said if she wore a swimsuit!!!

The point is this. Clothing doesn't really matter. It is the heart. I am only responsible for me! I do, however, expect believers to act responsibly, with concern for others.

Cheers,

Jim
 

freeatlast

New Member
I really don't care what anyone wears on the beach. It is what so many, these days, wear whilst sitting in the front rows of churches where a poor preacher has to look down over the congregation.

I pastored at a summer resort. One woman came and asked me if it was ok to come to church without a hat. I told her to come in a swimsuit; just come. Not sure what I might have said if she wore a swimsuit!!!

The point is this. Clothing doesn't really matter. It is the heart. I am only responsible for me! I do, however, expect believers to act responsibly, with concern for others.

Cheers,

Jim

Jim if clothing does not matter then is playboy acceptable?
 

Luke2427

Active Member
The point is this. Clothing doesn't really matter. It is the heart.

Respectfully, this kind of thinking is not accurate or healthy in my opinion.

What we have to be careful about is knee jerk reaction against a particular extreme.

People who react against Pharisees often wind up Antinomians.

People who react against the madness of IFB and Pentecostal fundamentalist dress standards often swing the pendulum too far the other way.

A man beats the crud out of his wife every day. But in his "heart" he loves her. So what he does outwardly "doesn't really matter. It is the heart."

This is faulty thinking.

A woman who reserves her sex appeal for her husband IN HER HEART will care for what she wears before other men on her body.

I don't advocate silliness. I do not advocate Amish bathing suits. But I do not advocate that our Christian women run around before men like Pamela Anderson either.

And if a Christian woman really desires IN HER HEART that her "sexiness" only be adored by her husband alone- then she will not run around like Pamela Anderson.
 

Jim1999

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I do, however, expect believers to act responsibly, with concern for others.

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My critics fail to read what I said.

We can't control what others wear. I don't like a lot of what I see...Low cut gowns exposing even the crack between breasts. Men are ot excused for how they dress either. I've been around long enough to see all the changes in time. All I can do is preach the word, and if a nudist walks into church, I will still preach the word.

Cheers,

Jim
 
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