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[utilyan]

Everything and every word of The Bible Teaches that, "the wages of sin is death".

That is why you and I will die.

Light has Come into the World.

"And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." John 3:19.

Men love to deny the light, because they are in darkness and blindness and Eternal Death.

May God Have Mercy on their souls.

You should never give up and keep faith in God's word.

John 8

51“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”

If you believe in Christ you will never die. I don't care how many funerals you've seen, I don't care if the whole planet is on fire.

Hold tight to the word of God. Let your eyes and ears be liars first, Trust the word of the Lord above all things.



No brother, THAT IS the condemnation. Everytime you see someone do wrong YOU CONDEMN THEM believing They love DARKNESS more than LIGHT, because their DEEDS were evil.

Because you see an evil deed you automatically accuse them of loving darkness more than light.

When I see you do evil. I don't say to myself well obviously this guy loves Satan not God just because your deed was evil.


The TRAP is you don't believe in the name of Jesus which is "GOD SAVES" that God actually saves people.

You already doomed yourself to death. Jesus says you never even see death.

They don't call the DEVIL ACCUSER for nothing. There is an accusative spirit within. He's got all the bad news.

He excuses himself when he sins, but when others sin.....oh they love darkness.

Every single problem in your life is because of this accuser inside. Get rid of him.

 

[Alan Gross]

You should never give up and keep faith in God's word.

John 8

51“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”

If you believe in Christ you will never die. I don't care how many funerals you've seen, I don't care if the whole planet is on fire.

Hold tight to the word of God. Let your eyes and ears be liars first, Trust the word of the Lord above all things.



No brother, THAT IS the condemnation. Everytime you see someone do wrong YOU CONDEMN THEM believing They love DARKNESS more than LIGHT, because their DEEDS were evil.

Because you see an evil deed you automatically accuse them of loving darkness more than light.

When I see you do evil. I don't say to myself well obviously this guy loves Satan not God just because your deed was evil.


The TRAP is you don't believe in the name of Jesus which is "GOD SAVES" that God actually saves people.

You already doomed yourself to death. Jesus says you never even see death.

They don't call the DEVIL ACCUSER for nothing. There is an accusative spirit within. He's got all the bad news.

He excuses himself when he sins, but when others sin.....oh they love darkness.

Every single problem in your life is because of this accuser inside. Get rid of him.

"You should never give up and keep faith in God's word",

...which is,

..."the wages of sin is death".

...

Never giving up working sin is Eternally Fatal.

...

I was about to tell someone they had said
the most ridiculous thing in the History of The Bible,
but God wouldn't let me surf there, yet.

Not until I saw this winner:

"Every single problem in your life is because of this accuser inside."

 

[Alan Gross]

"

Sin is not natural. Its is UNnatural. And if you are so fully corrupted as to have your good nature destroyed, then indeed you are destroyed and there is nothing to SAVE there.

God gives an actual list of consequences for sin in scripture. The idea that you could never do right in God's eyes would certainly top the list.

Show where scripture teaches God took away man's capacity to do anything good and made man totally depraved.

Are these things in bold you are assuming
supposed to be somewhere?

"your good nature destroyed"

"The idea that you could never do right in God's eyes would certainly top the list."

"man's capacity to do anything good"

 

[utilyan]

"You should never give up and keep faith in God's word",

...which is,

..."the wages of sin is death".

...

Never giving up working sin is Eternally Fatal.

...

I was about to tell someone they had said
the most ridiculous thing in the History of The Bible,
but God wouldn't let me surf there, yet.

Not until I saw this winner:

"Every single problem in your life is because of this accuser inside."

Well if we get legalistic the wages of Sin is death. Sin's wage. which holds very true. Doesn't say its YOUR wage does it?


Absolutely every problem in your life can be traced to lack of faith in God, Which requires the ACCUSATION to mistrust God.


If you had full trust in God you would be fearless, unshakable , absolutely calm.

When you already win....you don't wait to win tomorrow.

 

[Rockson]

I can't do that.

If you haven't can't see it.

The soul that is Totally Depraved must be Brought to the position of being a Law breaker, by the Schoolmaster, to recognize their undone, lost, blind condition, first.

What do you mean you can't do that? If you're making claims based on scripture you should be able to provide a scriptural answer. No?

 

[Rockson]

He cannot do that because there are no Scriptures that state that God took away man's capacity to do anything good, and made man totally depraved.

Mankind did both of those things by ourselves.

Sorry Dave but that's Calvinistic double talk. You want to claim God determined all things before we were born and even a child would know that if someone bigger and stronger determined something about their future it would be the other which did something! Under a Calvinistic paradigm you can't have it both ways. You're going to have to choose. Either God determined something or he didn't!

The only thing God did, was to give us over to it ( Romans 1:18-32 ).

Look sorry Dave that just won't work. That's talking about culture which had gone on for periods of time which hadn't denied truth but eventually did and their foolish hearts became darkened. Some cultures sear their conscious but that's not to say even the babies just born have such a conscience . You can't claim Rom 1 is something defines man all times and in every era even today.

 

[Rockson]

May God Have Mercy on their souls.

I understand you're Calvinsitic in your thinking? So how exactly can you make such a request as it would seem to be rather presumptuous would it not? If your Calvinistic paradigm were correct who would you be to be questioning what God does? Doesn't seem to fit.

 

[utilyan]

"




Are these things in bold you are assuming
supposed to be somewhere?

"your good nature destroyed"

"The idea that you could never do right in God's eyes would certainly top the list."

"man's capacity to do anything good"

It is. Everything God created is "NATURAL". Everything God created is GOOD, genesis. Sin is not natural, it is a unnatural. God is not the author of sin.

Evil is the corruption and lack of Good. If you were so corrupt as nothing about you God considered Good then you are already destroyed, there there nothing to save there. That is like your soul equates to the same value as murder and sin itself.


Evil did not create itself ex nihilo. There is no perfect, holy or divine EVIL. Its something Good going to Bad.

If you had a full corrupt nature you would not experience things like pain or suffering. NO NATURE would remain.

Punishment doesn't work on pure evil It would be welcomed if not unnoticed. Evil is self destructive it does not care.

If a hammer hit your hand, Its your good nature that only has the capacity to not like it.

 

[Alan Gross]

Well if we get legalistic the wages of Sin is death. Sin's wage. which holds very true. Doesn't say its YOUR wage does it?


Absolutely every problem in your life can be traced to lack of faith in God, Which requires the ACCUSATION to mistrust God.


If you had full trust in God you would be fearless, unshakable , absolutely calm.

When you already win....you don't wait to win tomorrow.

The Absolute Depravity of the sinner is Taught in nearly every chapter, or ever few chapters, throughout the entire Bible.

All have sinned.

Why?

 

[Alan Gross]

I understand you're Calvinsitic in your thinking? So how exactly can you make such a request as it would seem to be rather presumptuous would it not? If your Calvinistic paradigm were correct who would you be to be questioning what God does? Doesn't seem to fit.

I don't question what God Does.

God Has The Absolute Authority to Have Visited every soul Created with His Wrath and an Eternal Punishment in the Fires of Hell, without being obligated to Provide any soul of Mankind, with any escape from His Judgment of their sins.

God Will Have Mercy on whom He Has Mercy.

I request for you that God's Mercy be upon your soul, while you have your middle finger on the bridge of His Nose and are kicking His Bible from under your feet.

We'll see what He Does.

 

[Alan Gross]

It is. Everything God created is "NATURAL". Everything God created is GOOD, genesis. Sin is not natural, it is a unnatural. God is not the author of sin.

Evil is the corruption and lack of Good. If you were so corrupt as nothing about you God considered Good then you are already destroyed, there there nothing to save there. That is like your soul equates to the same value as murder and sin itself.


Evil did not create itself ex nihilo. There is no perfect, holy or divine EVIL. Its something Good going to Bad.

If you had a full corrupt nature you would not experience things like pain or suffering. NO NATURE would remain.

Punishment doesn't work on pure evil It would be welcomed if not unnoticed. Evil is self destructive it does not care.

If a hammer hit your hand, Its your good nature that only has the capacity to not like it.

Are those things you mentioned, in both posts, not actually based on anything, anywhere?

 

[utilyan]

The Absolute Depravity of the sinner is Taught in nearly every chapter, or ever few chapters, throughout the entire Bible.

All have sinned.

Why?

Then how come you can't cough up any scripture to back it?

You sin because you WANT to sin. You have the opportunity to not provided by God.

You are passing the buck, instead of taking responsibility of something being solely your fault you are blaming God.

 

[utilyan]

Are those things you mentioned, in both posts, not actually based on anything, anywhere?

Yes it is. Genesis. It explains God created all things Good. God establishes NATURE. YOU have absolutely no part in the creation of nature.

You are making the same Gnostic error of the Manicheans. You are making 2 GODS one good and one evil with and EVIL God creating EVIL nature. Not only are you forcing 2 GODS you say the EVIL God is stronger, Evil can't slip and do a good that takes it on a good path, but call good can be fully corrupted to evil easily.

There is no such thing as evil nature, it is UNNATURAL. To make evil natural infers a divine creator of evil rather than the lack of God's holiness.

For EVIL NATURE/ SIN NATURE to exist you need EVIL DIVINITY. Sin is not natural it is an abomination.


Our capacity to SUFFER and HAVE PAIN comes FROM GOOD NATURE. Evil like the demons who Jesus sent to the pigs....the run off and drown themselves. Self-destruction the the absolute delight of evil.

Jesus himself says the devil cannot be divided against himself.