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Taking Merry Christmas out of greetings

Johnv

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Originally posted by Hope of Glory:
Bruren, I'm as anti-ACLU as they come. That's why I'm trying to keep the discussion going around the truth of what the ACLU does.

Spreading half-truths and lies (even if unintentional) does nothing to further a cause. If your argument is righteous, then why not use the truth?

There are many truths that Christians damage themselves over because of things such as this.
I'm in 100% agreement with HoG here. Yes, we can discuss the ACLU as mentioned, but must remain truthful in our witness while doing so.
 

Johnv

New Member
Originally posted by bruren777:
Hope of Glory, There was an article on National News re. the ACLU trying to keep Merry Christmas out of public domain.

You have benn asked for specifics on his story and have provided none. I can't find anything that supports your OP claim.
To go back to an earlier post of mine on this thread re. private businesses not allowing their employees to say Merry Christmas I know of two where I live who were told by their employer they could not say Merry Christmas.

Your claim in the OP is that the ACLU is forcing this. That claim appears to be false. Again, I have serious problems with the ACLU, but I'm not permitted to gossip or lie about them as you have in this thread.
 

Johnv

New Member
Originally posted by bruren777:
Johnv,
I have decided to call a truce to this disagreement. I think we've reached a point where it is futile to continue this thread.
I'm not letting you off that easily. I'm holding a brother accountable here. Your OP is a lie. You need to repent for lying. The ACLU being an enemy does not give a Christian permission to lie.
 

Michaelt

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Originally posted by Johnv:
Your claim in the OP is that the ACLU is forcing this. That claim appears to be false. Again, I have serious problems with the ACLU, but I'm not permitted to gossip or lie about them as you have in this thread.
John, I don't want to be splitting hairs here, but after re-reading the OP, I don't see anywhere that Bruce claimed the ACLU was "forcing" this, although he does seem to have the opinion that the ACLU is behind any and all attempts of taking Christ out of the Christmas season.
If you're going to jump on his back and beat repentance out of him, at least stay in the context of his OP, fair enough?

The illustrious ACLU Anti Christian Liberal Union is behind businesses with public contact in keeping their employees from saying Merry Christmas to customers. The ACLU being what they claim to be, surprises me, they advocate civil rights, yet they advocate censorship when it comes to Christianity. It seems they think their job is to surpress anything that is Christian.
I'm no fan of the ACLU, and I think they make too many mountains out of molehills in their attempts to "separate church and state" or for that matter separate church from anything in the world.

I read earlier today where the ACLU is frantically searching for a plaintiff in Jonesboro Arkansas because a high school student gave an alter call at graduation ceremonies.
Before anyone asks: here is the article:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/12/12005e.asp

They are trying to find someone they can file suit through, although they really don't have a leg to stand on because the student utilized his/her right to free speech during his/her statements. I think it was a young lady that did this.
This is from LAST MAY people...doesn't the ACLU have more important matters than trying to dupe some 17-18 year old student into filing suit against something that happened over six months ago?


Anyway, I just don't want to see this thread get into a holier than thou shoving match, as I've witnessed too many other posts getting into the same exact genre.
 

faithgirl46

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Originally posted by RockRambler:
Johnv...please don't ask for documentation that the ACLU is behind making businesses say "Season Greetings" instead of "Merry Christmas". Instead just send money to the religious hucksters that love to use the ACLU as a bogeyman to raise cash.
My dad is retired military and you cannot say Merry Christmas on Bases. I ive at home due to medical problems that are not going to disappear anytime soon and I have BX and Commissary privileges. I will say Merry Christmas if I wish to. Like Jesus said, If you are ashamed of Me, I will be ashamed ofyou on Judgment Day. This Political Correctness makes me wonder if people are ashamed of Jesus and the true meaning of Christmas.
Faithgirl
 

Michaelt

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Faith, I'm not sure if it's all a matter of being ashamed. I think a lot of it is the intense pressure that groups like the ACLU, the Michael Nedow types can put on average people, to where they will decide to go with the flow and not buck whats being changed.

But along with that, I believe that there are a host of christians who do not flinch in this, do not cower and hide when charged with their faith, but again, most are probably not put in a position where it's faith vs. job, or faith vs. life, etc.

I think that will come, maybe even in my lifetime.
 

Benjamin

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False claims?

The ACLU anti-Christian agenda alone constantly works its way into the public ears of ignorance FORCING changes in the laws of the land at every opportunity and that in itself gets behind businesses with public contact teaching the falsities in the moral values of the secular world which get adopted by these public business leaders.

Sounds about right to me.
 

RockRambler

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"My dad is retired military and you cannot say Merry Christmas on Bases."
I was in the Commissary at Camp Lejeune last Saturday (one son stationed there, one stationed in Iraq)and the cashier at the commissary said "Merry Christmas". Evidently she hadn't got the memo from the ACLU. :confused:
 

Michaelt

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Bruce, I think most were concerned because you didn't justify your statement as an opinion, but rather stated your position as fact, without any supporting evidenciary information.

I will say that it's interesting that you labeled those who questioned your statement as liberals, and then attempted to defame those who questioned your statement as questionable christians.

Probably just some interpretational problems that could have easily been avoided.
 

StraightAndNarrow

Active Member
Originally posted by Benjamin:
From the radio I heard a pretty long list of stores that were jumping on the band wagon to exclude saying Merry Christmas. Probably a democratic thing for gearing up on the next election with the same mentality and agenda of Ex-Pres. Carter’s book; they must be getting pretty scared about the new Supreme Court and the threat of a trend back to Christian morals. I won’t be shopping to support any of these stores who want to cash in on the holiday while dissing it.
By democratic do you mean we live in a democratic society? That's probably pretty much close to the truth. Non-Christians and companies out to make a buck not to save souls can do what they want to do with Christmas an our Lord. I don't understand the reference to our Christian President, Jimmy Carter, however.
 

StraightAndNarrow

Active Member
Originally posted by Woodymdt:
Faith, I'm not sure if it's all a matter of being ashamed. I think a lot of it is the intense pressure that groups like the ACLU, the Michael Nedow types can put on average people, to where they will decide to go with the flow and not buck whats being changed.

But along with that, I believe that there are a host of christians who do not flinch in this, do not cower and hide when charged with their faith, but again, most are probably not put in a position where it's faith vs. job, or faith vs. life, etc.

I think that will come, maybe even in my lifetime.
Has the ACLU put "intense pressure" on anyone here? I think it's more a question of people being unwilling or unable to share their faith with non-believers.
 

PastorSBC1303

Active Member
I want people everywhere to say Merry Christmas.

However, I think this is one of these issues that believers can get all wrapped up in and really miss the entire reason why we are here to begin with. We are never going to change the world by getting people to say Merry Christmas. We will only change the world by introducing people to Jesus Christ and allowing Him to change their lives.

How many people never walk next door to share Christ with their neighbor, and yet are outraged that a business will not say Merry Christmas?
 

bruren777

New Member
I found the article I was alluding to when I started this thread!
I'm sorry I couldn't remember where it was, it was not my intent to falsely defame anyone or any organization.

You can find the article here:
alliencedefensefund.org/news/story.aspx?cid=3229

The title is: "It's okay to say Merry Christmas"
 

SAMPLEWOW

New Member
Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
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How many people never walk next door to share Christ with their neighbor, and yet are outraged that a business will not say Merry Christmas?


Thanks Pastor I think your right on.
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Benjamin

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Originally posted by StraightandNarrow

By democratic do you mean we live in a democratic society? That's probably pretty much close to the truth.

Yep, we are a democratic society that was based on Christian principles, but that is changing quickly isn’t it?

Non-Christians and companies out to make a buck not to save souls can do what they want to do with Christmas an our Lord.

(Eph 5:11) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

I don't understand the reference to our Christian President, Jimmy Carter, however.

Jimmy Carter is like a dog that you say “boo” to that rolls over on his back and kicks up his legs and leaks on the floor when it comes to standing up for values (especially Christian). Come on!, his stand on abortion alone tells you what kind of Christian he is. There’s a time for peace but he’s the kind of guy that if you broke in his house he’d…nevermind!!! Politics is for another tread in another place…which I don’t frequent.


http://www.worldmagblog.com/blog/archives/020239.html

http://www.regnery.com/regnery/040412_carter.html
 
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