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Taking the doctrine of separation too far

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JonC

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evangelist6589 said:
My friend is a current BJU grad student he says that BJU churches will separate from The Way of the Master churches and those in the SBC. To what end and for what reason? I mean how can this approach be Biblical?
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Christian churches should, I believe, be united in Christ despite their differences. I believe this is evidenced in Scripture not only with the decision of the Jerusalem counsel regarding the Gentiles, but also with differences among the churches mentioned in the New Testament. They were different, but Christian. They were different and separate in that regard, but being so they did not withdraw from each other.

The question is not if Christian churches should separate from each other, they should not. The question is whether or not the churches in question are Christian.
 
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TCassidy said:
The point was the WOTM "Churches."
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Will Only Toast Mikes. They are a small but vocal group of people who idolize a man named Steve Wozniak (hence the nickname "Wozians") by standing on boxes at street corners and shouting at people. To date no one is quite sure what they are yelling, but it seems to have something to do with proprietary systems and not fearing the light. Anyway, the WOTM church, or the "Wovians", typically meet on Friday nights to watch the Steve Jobs movie and toast to his good health with a stout glass of Mikes Hard Lemonade.

It's reminiscent of a typical viking scene toasting fallen warriors....if you were to substitute the vikings with the cast of Glee and spike the fruit punch.
 
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JonC said:
Will Only Toast Mikes. They are a small but vocal group of people who idolize a man named Steve Wozniak (hence the nickname "Wozians") by standing on boxes at street corners and shouting at people. To date no one is quite sure what they are yelling, but it seems to have something to do with proprietary systems and not fearing the light. Anyway, the WOTM church, or the "Wovians", typically meet on Friday nights to watch the Steve Jobs movie and toast to his good health with a stout glass of Mikes Hard Lemonade.

It's reminiscent of a typical viking scene toasting fallen warriors....if you were to substitute the vikings with the cast of Glee and spike the fruit punch.
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That there was the funniest thing I've read in a while!
 
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Dr. Bob said:
Every believer must practice some degree of ecclesiastical separation. Where one draws a line should be in keeping with doctrinal fidelity.

Separation and militant defense of your biblical hermeneutic is not a "bad" thing, despite of the modern wishy-washy evangelicalism that doesn't care for the word.

And each has "preferences" that are non-fundamental or non-doctrinal. These are NOT biblical but personal and should not be a "position" statement you demand others to follow. I prefer lovely, talented, intelligent short-haired brunettes . . . and married the best. :Whistling Does that mean YOU must prefer them (any but MY wife, of course) or be "wrong". No. Just a preference.

Conclusion? 99% of today's "separation" is based on personal or pastoral preference, NOT on clear-cut doctrinal issues. It is often separation from "practices" or implementation, not over biblical truth itself.
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Not allowed to seperate over things such as conviction/preference, but must over things that concern essentials of the Faith!
I cannot withold fellowshipping with a Christian who holds to say Amil while I am pre Mil, but can from a full Pretierist!
 
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evangelist6589 said:
I see. Thanks for letting me know. Looking for a good solid Calvinist church to visit when I go back to Greenville. Not interested in a BJU or KJVO type of fundamentalist church.
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Just curious, why wouldn't you want to go to a KJV Church? Wouldn't you want the most authentic translation you can get? Or do you not believe that it is? I'm honestly curious. I did go to a Church that was KJVO, and they ended up being pretty legalistic. We're having a hard time finding a home church in the suburbs of Chicago. I am a believer in studying the KJV , and believe that it's three best translation, without any doubt, however I'm hoping that just because a Church uses the KJV that they're not going to be legalistic. Do you have an opinion here? Thank you.
 
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I think he said KJVonly church. By embracing "only", they have accepted a man-made standard as their authority and basis of corporate worship, damning all other man-made translations as somehow "wrong". What this leads to, almost every time - I cannot say 100% because someone would cite the 1 in 10,000 exception - leads to other man-made standards, extra-biblical positions, rules, etc that are lumped together as modern "legalism" (following man-made position to gain or keep salvation/acceptance with God).

The two go hand-in-glove. Many who PREFER the KJV (whichever one of those they think is best) lean toward legalism but I've known many of the KJVprefered who did not embrace all that nonsense. Go to the VERSIONS debate if you want to follow why KJVonly and legalism are most often mutually-held positions.
 
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Dr. Bob said:
Every believer must practice some degree of ecclesiastical separation. Where one draws a line should be in keeping with doctrinal fidelity.

Separation and militant defense of your biblical hermeneutic is not a "bad" thing, despite of the modern wishy-washy evangelicalism that doesn't care for the word.

And each has "preferences" that are non-fundamental or non-doctrinal. These are NOT biblical but personal and should not be a "position" statement you demand others to follow. I prefer lovely, talented, intelligent short-haired brunettes . . . and married the best. :Whistling Does that mean YOU must prefer them (any but MY wife, of course) or be "wrong". No. Just a preference.

Conclusion? 99% of today's "separation" is based on personal or pastoral preference, NOT on clear-cut doctrinal issues. It is often separation from "practices" or implementation, not over biblical truth itself.
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I could not agree with you any more. I'm having a real tough time finding a home church in the suburbs of Chicago. I came up learning under Southern Baptist type preaching and haven't had any issues in the past with independent fundamental Baptist Churches however the church that we did try around here that was independent fundamental Baptist, pastor was doing just what you're speaking about, and came off as being very legalistic. I want the scriptures to Lead Me where to separate, not my pastor.
 
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The subject of conviction vs preference has come up.
Sometimes they overlap.
Lets take CCM - I prefer traditional music - those 7-11 songs drive me crazy.
Yet there are Hard core Fundies that preach CCM is from the pits of Hell.

So you might sit in on church and the pastor will insist that they do no use CCM because
of Doctrine. Yet, another church may not sing CCM simply out of preference.

NOTE: I am a Fundamentalist - but I do NOT align myself with the Hard Cores.

Aren't us Baptists a peculiar people?
 
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