Talk of drones patrolling US skies spawns anxiety

[poncho]

I reckon it's easier to stay in your own close minded box and attack people based upon your predetermined prejudices rather than look at what others have to say and weigh their words thoughtfully. Try reading my post again, but this time try to set aside your hatred for the government and military while doing so.

I have no hatred for the military or a legitimate government. Unfortunately for us we do not have a legitimate government. I don't expect you to understand that and even if you did I wouldn't expect you to admit it. To do that would call everything you've been "taught" into question.

I doubt you'll ever do that. You've made up your mind evidently that global mass murder aka our foreign policy is what's keeping us safe from the terrorists. Terrorists that I might add again are being funded, armed and trained by the US government.

You call me closed minded? Now that is a joke indeed! I didn't know you had such a sharp sense of humor. Har har.

There is more than enough evidence to prove my claims. No my boy you are with all your good intentions <PA deleted LE>. No offense meant mind you. That's just what people are called that mean well but willingly allow themselves to be used by others who have evil plans.

I know in my heart that you have no clue what you're talking about.

Then you are badly misinformed and for the life of me I don't know why. I've posted page after page of evidence. Thread after thread filled with evidence. Oh yeah I know you can reduce it all down to a couple of words to justify your willfull ignorance. "Conspiracy theory". How convenient for you that there is a ready made excuse to stay uninformed.

Am I proud of what I've done? Yes. But why would I expect anyone to worship me? That's absurd. And for your information, the first time I joined this board was under a different user name, back in 2002, well before I joined the military. (I didn't post on the board for a few years, and forgot all my login information, so just started over later). So, no, that's not what I expected.

I bet you are proud of being part of unconstitutional wars and illegal actions all over the globe. Mass murder. Call it what you will it's still mass murder.

Ok, let me try once again to get this through your bias. My orders, whoever they come from, are honorable. My job is to clear routes of IEDs in order to allow the locals to drive without fear of being blown up. Ooh, that's so evil!

Well isn't that special. You helping out the locals and all. Just wonderful! Too bad we had to put the poor people and yourself and others like you in a position to have to live like that. But funding arming and training terrorists as proxy armies to do our dirty work is just good business. For some.

So, what you're saying is that you lack the ability to tell the truth without attacking me personally? Let me correct your statement: This is the difference between you and I, Poncho. I don't attempt to use negative situations to draw attention to myself as if I am the only one who has the truth and everyone around me is too foolish to see it.

Well, let me set the record straight here. I am not the only one with the truth. There are thousands of people out there digging it up everyday. I just report what they find. They have to dig it up because the corporate controlled mass media forgets to include it there "news" reports most of the time. Why is that? Well it might be because the same people who benefit from endless war and global mass murder also own and control the mass media. The good news is they are losing the infowar. Your boss Hillary Clinton has admitted it. That's why they want to control the internet so bad.

Foolish? I don't think people are to foolish to comprehend the truth. I think they're to afraid. If they accepted the truth they might lose their faith in government. Now we can't have that can we?

Again, I also choose to stay away from the terrorist tactic of inciting and spreading mass hysteria in order to accomplish my goals. You know that's the very definition of terrorism, right? Using fear to control people in order to accomplish your goals.

At last some common ground! Yes indeed it is terrorism! I couldn't agree more and it just so happens that it is the modus operandi of the "international community", US government and the corporate controlled mass media! They use it to drive everyone into the arms of the mass murderers in control of our "foreign policy".

I don't expect you to comprehend that though. It's too in your face for that.

No matter the prior circumstances, my mission is honorable. Like I've said in previous posts, I am not pointing the finger at previous people's actions out here. I know the history of the area, and who armed and trained who.

Then you know you're mission is based on lies and yet you still defend it. Must be difficult to know your fellow military people are dying because of a pack of lies while you keep a "stiff upper lip". Good show old chap!

Right now, my goal is to help these people. My mission is to keep them from being blown up by terrorists. You seem to think that I am a mindless sheep, blindly following and believing anything I am told. I will not take the time here to gloat of my intelligence scores and accomplishments. But suffice to say, I am much more aware than you give me credit. But my mission, again, is honorable, whether you like to think so or not.

Yeah I can see where keeping people safe from the terrorists your bosses keep creating would be a full time job. Reckon you could make quite the career out of it.

I never report people for telling the truth. Attacking me personally, yes. I will report that everytime. And what I don't get is how you can possibly call my post a "long winded righteous excuse".

It's not so hard when I see you wriggling to defend the indefensible.

I freely let you know my stance. And I must point out that I was able to do so without attacking you personally. I attacked your methods of propoganda, yes. But not you personally. And now you decide to attack not only me, but call everyone on this board a coward by saying that no one has the gall to expose truth.

Well, that's only because most people here act like cowards. If they can keep their mouths shut when their government is actively using terrorists as proxy armies to murder people all over the globe to justify one unconstitutional (illegal) "regime change" after another they have only themselves to blame when I point out the obvious.

Just because others choose to go about change using the proper methods instead of ranting pointlessly on the internet which doesn't accomplish anything does not make them cowardly, and does not mean that they don't have the "gall" to expose lies.

Proper methods? Composing emails to corupt compromised "government officials". Is going to get you where exactly? Write all the emails you want and you'll be ignored just as much.

Again, I urge you to lay aside your bias against he govenment and military for just a few minutes, and re-read my post. If you were honest with yourself, I think that you would see that you and I (and many people on this board) agree with a lot of things. We just have decided to use the proper channels of enacting a change instead of the improper methods of ranting on an internet board and personally attacking anyone who does not embrace your methods.

Yeah the proper channels. Like "electing" another compromised "government official" to high office that is controlled by the banksters and corporitos.

How utterly naive. Now I see why they like guys like you fighting their illegal wars. You still have faith in them to do the right thing. :sleep:
This is your mission. To protect and defend the constitution of the United States of America from all enemies foreign and domestic. When were you planning to embark on this mission if ever? Right after you've "honorably" completed your stint with those who are destroying it?

 

[Sapper Woody]

I don't have the time to put thought into an answer right now, Poncho, and will be gone for a while. Most likely we will have to resume our discussion on another thread when I get back. I have some interesting points to make, but am gathering sources before I post, and so do not have the time to write now.

 

[targus]

Nut job conspiracy theorists have believe that they possess a highly sophisticated grasp of the "real" underworkings of government, business, etc. that we "sheep" can never appreciate.

The other side of the coin is that their solutions are always broad brush - big picture - pie in the sky.

They don't live in reality.

It's all something that exists in a fantasy world that they have created in their mind.

True story - a conspiracy kook once explained to me how U-Haul is part of a multi-State plot...

Because he is always seeing U-Haul trucks and trailers in Michigan with license plates from other States. :laugh: :laugh:

Perhaps our resident conspiracy expert can start a thread about the "U-Haul Connection". :laugh: :thumbsup:

 

[LadyEagle]

For all on here, I want to thank you for your service. I support our military but I am concerned because of some unlawful actions by the current CIC - such as circumventing Congress on several issues and because of the criminal actions of the AG.

I know several people who have worked in intelligence and serve and have served in the military and they are good, patriotic people. It is the ones in power that I have issues with and how that corruption may trickle down. I believe in our Constitution and believe it has been under assault for some time, by both political parties.

Now on another issue, as a Moderator Note: Personal attacks will not be tolerated from anyone.

Poncho, I agree with a lot of what you say, but please tone it down. We need to keep our passions in check on here and not take it out on other members. Thanks for complying.

Also, if the discussion is going to continue to be off topic onto foreign policy, let's move to another thread. In fact, I will start one.

Here is is here: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=79617

Carry on.

LE :flower:

 

[poncho]

For all on here, I want to thank you for your service. I support our military but I am concerned because of some unlawful actions by the current CIC - such as circumventing Congress on several issues and because of the criminal actions of the AG.

I know several people who have worked in intelligence and serve and have served in the military and they are good, patriotic people. It is the ones in power that I have issues with and how that corruption may trickle down. I believe in our Constitution and believe it has been under assault for some time, by both political parties.

Now on another issue, as a Moderator Note: Personal attacks will not be tolerated from anyone.

Poncho, I agree with a lot of what you say, but please tone it down. We need to keep our passions in check on here and not take it out on other members. Thanks for complying.

Also, if the discussion is going to continue to be off topic onto foreign policy, let's move to another thread. In fact, I will start one.

Here is is here: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=79617

Carry on.

LE :flower:

Sorry I get all worked up knowing "our" government is using terrorists to murder people all over the world to justify more illegal regime changes and I can't for the life of me understand how anyone in the military especially those who claim to be Christians can possibly justify this Satanic policy and couple words like "honor and integrity" with it. It's pure evil! We should be yelling it from the rooftops 24 hours a day instead of focusing only on the middle management weasels that pose as our leaders.

There is no honor in cold blooded murder and how can a person who defends this policy by saying "I do what I do and they do what they do" have any integrity at all?

I just get so sick and tired of reading thread after thread about the liberals are to blame no the conservatives are to blame no the liberals are to blame no the conservatives are to blame. C'mon the criminals are to blame and there's enough to go around to make up both parties. Sheesh, enough already let's put on our grown up pants on and discuss real issues.

Losing my cool again! Signing off.