Taught pretrib?

Those who teach the doctrine of the pre-trib rapture are essentially teaching that every Christian scholar before 1830 was stupid , grossly ignorant , radically incompetent , and that they didn’t know the difference between the Holy Spirit and the babbling of fools . Obviously enough, my view of this matter is quite different.

 

Eph 4:26 - "Be ye angry, and sin not,.... There is anger which is not sinful; for anger is fouled in God himself, in Jesus Christ, in the holy angels, and in God's people; and a man may be said to be angry and not sin, when his anger arises from a true zeal for God and religion; when it is kindled not against persons, but sins; when a man is displeased with his own sins, and with the sins of others: with vice and immorality of every kind; with idolatry and idolatrous worship, and with all false doctrine; - (John Gill's Commentary)emphasis added

 

["There is anger which is not sinful]...when it is kindled not against persons, but sins.." (Gill)

When anger of the type posted on this board by some it is sinful anger in my opinion.

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Craig,

I believe what Paul said. He SAID the day of Christ, OUR GATHERING is connected to the REVELATION of the man of sin. His revelation OCCURS at the MIDST OF DANIEL'S WEEK. (2 Thess.2, Dan.7,8,9,11,12) He said nothing concerning a SEVENTH trumpet by any angel. He spoke concerning a last sound FROM a trumpet.

You again are mixed up.

 

Matt. 12:32. "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. (NASB, 1995)

</font>[/QUOTE]I said nothing about the Lord Jesus Christ HAVING AN UNCLEAN SPIRIT, personally.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Mark 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit

You're mixed up again.

 

The Holy Bible reveals that apostasy COVERS truth, UNTIL SUCH TIME it is ILLUMINATED again.

See the nation of Israel within the OT, which EXAMPLE occurs within the body of Christ also. (2 Tim.1)

I've gone over this before. But you boys are too busy reading other books.

That's one of the BIBLICAL and SCRIPTURAL POINTS of Clarence Larkin taught from the Holy Bible.

 

[q]Any “truth” that was invented in the 19the century by any man or woman—and there was no shortage of these inventions—is not the truth, but a lie—and we all know from whence cometh lies.[/q]

Craig,

Does this include Darwinism? Where do you stand on the "truth" of the Theory of Evolution? Do you accept it over the truth of Genesis in terms of God's account of creation given there and His description of the Great Flood and Noah's Ark? Did God shut the door to the Ark or lie to us? Do you just pick and choose which 19th century truths you accept?

In all sincerity, why would I listen to a guy who does not have the faith to accept the Biblical account of these things over man's wisdom? I am being quite sincere in this questioning. You say that the Spirit gave you illumination concerning eschatology, but I am trying to figure out why He hasn't enlightened you on your aberrant views of BEGINNINGS as well as on our "heretical and false" view on ENDINGS. In my view, and of many other "fools" on this board from what I have read, you get it wrong from beginning to end.

Just another "Darbyite"

Chad

 

Posts of this type should not be allowed by the moderators. I watched where posts have been deleted and individuals banned when those in opposition to the doctrine of dispensationalisms roots and its followers were posted, while posters attacking Amillenialists are tolerated. </font>[/QUOTE]So IDENTIFICATION of another's FALSITY and WRONGDOING is "sinful anger?" Nah, o belligerent brother. The Lord Jesus Christ AND Paul pointed out ALL of those things concerning OTHERS. If you don't know that, you don't read the same bible which I do.

You boys have made statements, saying the Holy Spirit LEADS YOU to "not believe" a doctrine. You KNOW what that means, and that is WHY you said it in anger. Don't be a PIOUS HYPOCRITE.

Watch your mouth and your accusations. Deal with the verses.

If I were a moderator, (which I'm not), there probably wouldn't be ONE PERSON on this board for statements which have been made. Since you and I aren't, QUIT YOUR WHINING.

 

I quoted Paul word for word—all you are doing is babbling.

 

CARLAIMPINGE,

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IDENTIFICATION is NOT what you are doing by a long shot! What you do is degrade, ridicule, insult, humiliate, judge and condemn.

First of all, I know Jesus, and I know Paul! You're no Jesus, and you're no Paul! Yet, you seem to think that they have appointed you to be the judge, jury and executioner for them!

Secondly, I challenge you to show me ONE verse in scripture where the Lord or Paul used those words in the manner in which you do upon the elect of God!

Your ego is way out of proportion for the size of your head!

 

Carl wrote,

I quoted Paul word for word, and in those words he expressly taught the same thing that I am—so if I am mixed up, Paul was too . If you find fault with my interpretation of Paul’s words, please post an exegetical rebuttal rather than just an ad hominem attack . And don’t forget, my interpretation of Paul’s words are the same as the interpretation of the early church whom it pleased God to use to formalize the doctrine of the Trinity and to establish the New Testament Canon . And don’t forget that my interpretation of Paul’s words are the same as the interpretation of the vast majority of Bible scholar throughout the history of the church, including the history of the church after the late 1820’s when the age of modern day heretics began. Your doctrine is taught by “Bible Colleges” and “seminaries” that use their grandmother’s canning cellar for their campus—if they have one at all . My interpretation is taught in many of the finest universities and seminaries around the world . Just who do you think you are to tell me that I am messed up?

 

Chad wrote,

I did not make myself clear. I was speaking of Biblical truth—none of which is post 1826. As for Genesis 6 – 8, I have posted extensively on those chapters in other threads.

As I have absolutely and incontrovertibly proven in other threads, Genesis 1 – 11 is not a literal account of actual events. Nonetheless, if were the only person stating for a fact that the doctrine of the pre-trib rapture is a false doctrine invented in the late 1820’s by unlearned individuals suffering from a variety of very serious maladies, you would not have a substantial reason to listen to me. However, since you are in the pathetically small minority made up almost exclusively of those lacking a post-graduate university and seminary education in New Testament exegesis, you may do well to listen to those thousands of Bible scholars who do have a post-graduate university and seminary education in New Testament exegesis and who consequently know for a fact know that the doctrine of the pre-trib rapture is nothing but confused mumbo-jumbo.

I have here in my office library several hundreds of commentaries on the individual books of the Bible, the majority of which are exegetical commentaries on the Greek and Hebrew texts, and not a single one of these exegetical commentaries favors the pre-trib rapture theory, and only one of them even makes a reference to it. Indeed, I am not aware of one single exegetical commentary on the Greek or Hebrew text of any book in the Bible that favors the pre-trib rapture theory. The plain, simple, and incontrovertible fact is that this is a doctrine almost exclusively of the intellectually deprived.

 

I quoted Paul word for word—all you are doing is babbling.

</font>[/QUOTE]No, you didn't. You quoted REVELATION trying to MAKE JOHN teach what Paul SAID in 1 Corinthians.

That ain't babbling, but RIGHTLY DIVIDING.

 

Posts of this type should not be allowed by the moderators.

IDENTIFICATION is NOT what you are doing by a long shot! What you do is degrade, ridicule, insult, humiliate, judge and condemn.

First of all, I know Jesus, and I know Paul! You're no Jesus, and you're no Paul! Yet, you seem to think that they have appointed you to be the judge, jury and executioner for them!

Secondly, I challenge you to show me ONE verse in scripture where the Lord or Paul used those words in the manner in which you do upon the elect of God!

Your ego is way out of proportion for the size of your head! </font>[/QUOTE]Egos? Son, you better check your own out with what you've been SLINGING around on the board. I'll let you GO BACK and see your own HEAD and the MOUTH attached to it.

Yeah, they DID leave me with a little authority to PREACH, TEACH, and IDENTIFY people. (See the books of Timothy and Titus.) I thought you KNEW Paul and the Lord? Don't you KNOW where the passages are found?

O belligerent brother, when I show you one you'll JUST SAY, Oh, that not's one. So what's the use talking to egoheads who think others who CAN CORRECT them have ego problems?


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

2 Timothy 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

That's egoish of Paul to call them "VESSELS OF DISHONOUR".

Quit slinging your slop and you might not get it back. The HIT DOG always cries first. That's you, ain't it son. BOW WOW.

 

Yes, yes, we all are aware of how smart you are my good man. I am just a simple Appalachian hillbilly who does not know better than to accept the clear teaching of my Bible. Since we are all incognant morons here in lowly and humble West Virginia we use our several hundred commentaries to prop the young'uns up at the dinner table. Legend says that my great-great grandpappy knew how to cipher letters and read, but alas, it's only legend. All of us dumb hick independent baptists here in WV, yes siree-bob, we are much-abliged to you more schooled intellectuals. Your eloquence and rhetoric has convinced me and the wife. From here on out we are going to be Craigian theologians so's that we can know the "incontrovertible" truth as you call it.

By the way my truth is more incontrovertible than your truth.

Just a simple Hillbilly devoid of truth an' knowledge,

Chad - currently in graduate studies at Piedmont Baptist College and still pretrib

P.S. - I would give up your commentaries and read your Bible more.

 

I quoted Paul word for word, and in those words he expressly taught the same thing that I am—so if I am mixed up, Paul was too . If you find fault with my interpretation of Paul’s words, please post an exegetical rebuttal rather than just an ad hominem attack . And don’t forget, my interpretation of Paul’s words are the same as the interpretation of the early church whom it pleased God to use to formalize the doctrine of the Trinity and to establish the New Testament Canon . And don’t forget that my interpretation of Paul’s words are the same as the interpretation of the vast majority of Bible scholar throughout the history of the church, including the history of the church after the late 1820’s when the age of modern day heretics began. Your doctrine is taught by “Bible Colleges” and “seminaries” that use their grandmother’s canning cellar for their campus—if they have one at all . My interpretation is taught in many of the finest universities and seminaries around the world . Just who do you think you are to tell me that I am messed up?



</font>[/QUOTE]No hominy here, just grits.

My exegetical rebuttal was already posted.

John isn't Paul. You MIXED their words together PRETENDING they were. Simple illiteracy brother, but don't worry about. Sylvan will straighten that out for you. (When you read last, don't INTERJECT seventh.)

Oh, you're talking about the church who FORSOOK Pauline doctrine, while he was living? (2 Tim.1) The church who CONTRADICTED the teachings of Timothy and Titus, who taught Pauline docrine. (1 Tim.1, Titus 1) The church, who through history, REJECTED Pauline truth, when it appeared? The church who persecuted Bible believers who taught Pauline truth? The HISTORIC Catholic Church?

No, O student of many books, which are are weariness of the flesh. (Ecc.12) My teaching comes NOT from fine universities. It comes from the WORDS of the Holy Spirit and the LIPS of believers who have FAITH in the Holy Scriptures, and can teach them RIGHTLY DIVIDED.

Who am I? I'm nothing. I'm just a "base thing" which the Lord has sometimes USED to overthrow egomaniacs who think that they are wise.

He will will destroy the wisdom of the world. (1 Cor.1)

 

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Now you have TWO challenges;

1) I challenge you to show me ONE verse in scripture where the Lord or Paul used those words in the manner in which you do upon the elect of God!
2) “…you better check your own out with what you've been SLINGING around on the board.” You made the accusation – you show me where I ever called anyone derogatory names the way that you do?

As far as those scriptures in 2 Timothy goes – they don’t even come close to self imposed license to degrade people the way you do.