Tears in heaven

[Guy Humphries]

Subject: Why Tears in in the New Heaven?


Message:

Since chapter breaks in scripture were not invented when God inspired John to write Revelation, Could it be that God's children are crying in Rev 21:4 because we witnessed the White Throne Judgment that IMMEDIATELY precedes Rev 21?

It seems that we would have some reason for tears even though we are in the New Heaven??? Your help would be deeply appreciated. Guy

 

[tyndale1946]

Subject: Why Tears in in the New Heaven?

Message:

Since chapter breaks in scripture were not invented when God inspired John to write Revelation, Could it be that God's children are crying in Rev 21:4 because we witnessed the White Throne Judgment that IMMEDIATELY precedes Rev 21?

It seems that we would have some reason for tears even though we are in the New Heaven??? Your help would be deeply appreciated. Guy

I do not believe that is the connotation at all, why would we weep at the justice of God?... We will then understand why God executed his judgement... Do we understand now, why God allows sin to dwell in the world?... There is quote from scripture where Abraham pleads with God to spare Sodom

Genesis 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

Abraham thought he knew more than God, surely there are some righteous people in Sodom... If there were God would have spared it... He did not!... When we get to Heaven and witness the White Throne Judgement... We will understand who the wicked are and who the righteous are... There are no tears to be shed... The judge of the earth will do right!... Brother Glen

 

[kyredneck]

It seems that we would have some reason for tears even though we are in the New Heaven???

Are you saying we're in the new heaven now? That's what I believe. The New Jerusalem, the bride, the Church, of the new heaven and new earth of the new covenant in which we're new creatures.

The passage brings Matthew 5:4 to mind.

 

[tyndale1946]

Are you saying we're in the new heaven now? That's what I believe. The New Jerusalem, the bride, the Church, of the new heaven and new earth of the new covenant in which we're new creatures.

The passage brings Matthew 5:4 to mind.

My bad!... DUH!... I hear what you are saying Kentucky... We morn for our sins but God wipes away all tears, because our sins have been paid for in full by his Son Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ... Brother Glen

Thanks for having my back Kentucky!... Almost slipped away to the Literalist!

 

[37818]

Subject: Why Tears in in the New Heaven?


Message:

Since chapter breaks in scripture were not invented when God inspired John to write Revelation, Could it be that God's children are crying in Rev 21:4 because we witnessed the White Throne Judgment that IMMEDIATELY precedes Rev 21?

It seems that we would have some reason for tears even though we are in the New Heaven??? Your help would be deeply appreciated. Guy

The tears are do to those who perish. Even God has no pleaser in this, Ezekiel 18:32. God is omipresent, and will bear this on our behalf for all eternity, Revelation 14:10. And for us, ". . . God shall wipe away all tears . . . ." -- Revelation 21:4. So we are instructed, Matthew 28:18-20.

 

[Guy Humphries]

I do not believe that is the connotation at all, why would we weep at the justice of God?... We will then understand why God executed his judgement... Do we understand now, why God allows sin to dwell in the world?... There is quote from scripture where Abraham pleads with God to spare Sodom

Genesis 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

Abraham thought he knew more than God, surely there are some righteous people in Sodom... If there were God would have spared it... He did not!... When we get to Heaven and witness the White Throne Judgement... We will understand who the wicked are and who the righteous are... There are no tears to be shed... The judge of the earth will do right!... Brother Glen

Then, why are we crying in heaven …verse 4??

 

[John of Japan]

Subject: Why Tears in in the New Heaven?


Message:

Since chapter breaks in scripture were not invented when God inspired John to write Revelation, Could it be that God's children are crying in Rev 21:4 because we witnessed the White Throne Judgment that IMMEDIATELY precedes Rev 21?

It seems that we would have some reason for tears even though we are in the New Heaven??? Your help would be deeply appreciated. Guy

I agree with you on this. Specifically, we will weep at our lost opportunities, as we see people we could have won to Christ being condemned to an eternity in Hell. This would especially include relatives and close friends. I can't imagine stoically standing by, not being moved at all, while a close loved one is being condemned to eternal Hell before my eyes.

This is not to say we will be judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ for our failures. All of our sins and failures are under the blood of Jesus. The Bema judgment seat of Christ will not be for punishment, but rewards.

John R. Rice wrote, "Christians must face the result of their sins. One whose loved ones have gone unwarned to Hell will dread to face the Lord Jesus whom they have failed as witnesses" (Behold, He Cometh, commentary on Rev., p. 313).

 

[Tea]

Specifically, we will weep at our lost opportunities, as we see people we could have won to Christ being condemned to an eternity in Hell.

Of course, I don’t believe we will be held accountable for failing to bring someone to salvation—God is in control of that. However, I do think we will be held accountable for how we lived our lives while under God’s grace.

2 Corinthians 5:10 (ESV)
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

 

[Ben1445]

Of course, I don’t believe we will be held accountable for failing to bring someone to salvation—God is in control of that. However, I do think we will be held accountable for how we lived our lives while under God’s grace.

2 Corinthians 5:10 (ESV)
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

Can you feel your mouth moving when you’re under the control of God fulfilling the great commission or are you unconscious for it.

Are rewards in heaven for knowing that God was controlling you the entire time or just kind of meaningless?

Or do we actually have responsibility and independent thoughts and actions.
If we don’t, don’t be upset with me for what I post, I can’t help it.

 

[Tea]

Can you feel your mouth moving when you’re under the control of God fulfilling the great commission or are you unconscious for it.

That's not how it works. God ordains the ends and the means and uses men as the instruments to evangelize to the lost.

Are rewards in heaven for knowing that God was controlling you the entire time or just kind of meaningless?

God doesn't control men like puppets. The rewards are there for His good and faithful servants.

Or do we actually have responsibility and independent thoughts and actions.

Of course, that never changes. What does change is when God takes out a heart of stone and gives a heart of flesh, and we will act accordingly with our new nature.

 

[Ben1445]

Of course, I don’t believe we will be held accountable for failing to bring someone to salvation—God is in control of that. However, I do think we will be held accountable for how we lived our lives while under God’s grace.

2 Corinthians 5:10 (ESV)
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

God ordains the ends and the means and uses men as the instruments to evangelize to the lost.

So we can choose to evangelize or we can’t?

God doesn't control men like puppets. The rewards are there for His good and faithful servants.

This sounds contrary to what you said a bit ago. (Quoted above)
Faithful in everything except the last thing that He told us to do? Because you said the last thing we were commanded to do is preordained in means and outcome. And if this is all figured out beyond us, why are we told to do it? What happens if we don’t do it?

The idea that we have no responsibility in it is illogical and goes against what Jesus told the disciples.

 

[Tea]

So we can choose to evangelize or we can’t?

We choose.

This sounds contrary to what you said a bit ago. (Quoted above)
Faithful in everything except the last thing that He told us to do? Because you said the last thing we were commanded to do is preordained in means and outcome. And if this is all figured out beyond us, why are we told to do it? What happens if we don’t do it?

The choices that we are given are real choices to make. However, the saved person will always want to choose to obey the commands of Christ. God simply makes sure that we are in the right place at the right time.