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That's funny, ApostolicTraditiion begins with both the Apostles as well as laymen (plow-boys) expounding from the Word of God that certainly did not originate from the Catholic Church.

You can't even be honest about when the Catholic Church began. You keep appealing to 2,000 years of history and it simply isn't there.

We know that because the Apostles and the plow-boys did precisely what the Catholic Church forbids her servants today, and has done so for roughly a little over 16 centuries. I will give you that, she has been around a long time. That you will not own up to what is blatant corruption shows the desperation to justify your religion.

Now, will you explain Indulgences as they originated out of the error of the Catholic Church, or, will you justify selling remission of sin for money, and show where the Apostles or plow-boys of the true early church did so?

A straight answer, Cathode.



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Thank you, Cathode—for being honest enough to admit that there has been corruption in the Catholic Church and her leadership.

Now I ask you—why would you not think it possible today?


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I would very much agree with you: people calling themselves Christians committing murder. It kind of brings the reality of the profession into doubt.

But let's go back to some things you said earlier:

What you are saying agrees with Luther's rejection of Indulgences and the abuses that followed, to include the remission of sins for those in Purgatory.

And again, remission of the penalty for sin is also the remission of sin itself.

Again, your defense of Indulgences is eerily similar to Luther's view.

Seems like the theological difference concerning Indulgences was. For both sides.

And again, explain indulgences.

Trace them back to the Word of God and the Apostles' doctrine and practice.


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Again, are you a Priest?

Are you among the leadership of the Catholic Church that does have authority?


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It didn't come from Catholicism, either.


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We aren't talking about the congregation/laity/plow-boys, Cathode, we are talking about the leadership of the Catholic Church yo maintain are the only ones able to properly interpret Scripture and pronounce sound doctrine and practice.

And they have been found to be corrupt at times.

Explain that. Answer the question: why don't you think that leadership can still suffer corruption in doctrine and practice?


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Then perhaps you should adjust your statement to "The Catholic Church established which books and what order they were to be in."

I reject the Apocrypha, so I don't accept the Catholic Bible.

And that is an entirely different discussion from what we are looking at now. It is evasion of the topic, but then, that's all you can do, because your mouth has been stopped.


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Peter was yet unregenerate when he tried to keep Christ from the Cross.

Remember, Scripture teaches that the Gospel of Christ was a mystery, and was not revealed to men in past Ages and Generations.

That includes the Age of Law.

So appealing to something that Peter did before he was even baptized into Christ has no validity as a justification for your own sin, or the corruption of the leadership of the Catholic Church.

That is why Peter denied Christ, because he first denied the Gospel of Jesus Christ to Christ Himself:


Matthew 16:20-23 King James Version

20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


Scripture defines itself, Cathode.

Here Peter is given the Gospel (v.21) and rejects it.

That is because he is expecting the physical fulfillment of Prophecy, which very much promised Israel would be restored. In that Kingdom men would live longer lives, and the enmity between animals and between man and animals would cease.

Note in v.21 that it is at this time the Lord began to give them the Gospel.

Yet when Peter is Baptized with the Holy Ghost by Christ at Pentecost he begins immediately to preach the Gospel.

That is the statement of Scripture. And it still remains a mystery to most, because they refuse to know the Scriptures that they might not err as the spiritual leaders of Christ's Day did.


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I want to point out, Cathode, I am not advocating for the Protestant or Evangelical churches, I am advocating for the Doctrine and Practice of the Word of God.

Corruption is in all groups. None have maintained a flawless history, and none ever will. not until the flesh is redeemed.


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Was it not a Catholic Pope (Sixtus IV) that extended Indulgences to those in purgatory?

Trying to ascribe guilt to underlings in this criminal activity simply isn't going to fly.

And the "stamping out" of this abuse is precisely Luther's intentions, so again you are found to be in agreement with Luther's view and again guilty of violating your own principles you maintain are taught by the Catholic Church.

What say you, Cathode?


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I guess you have never bothered to read the 95 Theses.

Martin Luther was still a Catholic when he called out the error that the Catholic Church agreed was error.

So you guys have a serious problem condemning Luther's teachings.

I will ask again, are you a priest or a plow-boy, Campion?


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Do you also receive an indulgence from reading in your Bible, Campion?

Would this not mean that you are working to achieve remission for the penalty of your sins?

And I'd really like an answer from both of you as to whether you are priests or plow-boys.


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