Temporal Salvation

[PrmtvBptst1832]

Agreed, as holding to eternal predestination as the PB do would mean that the stated need to receive jesus thru faith is no longer required!

When God decrees the end, he decrees all the means necessary to that end. The Scriptures explicitly state that Abraham's faith was imputed to him for righteousness. Paul spent a significant portion of his epistle to the Romans belaboring that fact.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Based on my research, most modern Baptists owe their origins to men like Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, et al who came out of the Roman Catholic Church in the Protestant Reformation. All of the histories I have read trying to prove the opposite are less than convincing. Even if it could be proven (which it has not) that there have always been Baptists, what would it prove? Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and some Anglicans and Lutherans claim "Apostolic Succession" to validate their claims, but what does it prove in those cases? Are we really going to reduce our argument for truth on that?

Im not a modern baptist however since truth is the goal then have at it.

 

[Yeshua1]

When God decrees the end, he decrees all the means necessary to that end. The Scriptures explicitly state that Abraham's faith was imputed to him for righteousness. Paul spent a significant portion of his epistle to the Romans belaboring that fact.

Agreed, as God ordained that thru the preaching/teaching of the Gospel the Holy Spirit would use that as the means to the desired end of those to be saved to get now saved!

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

Im not a modern baptist however since truth is the goal then have at it.

You are "modern" in the sense that I was using the term. The twenty first century...that is where we are, right?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Agreed, as holding to eternal predestination as the PB do would mean that the stated need to receive jesus thru faith is no longer required!

You need to speak less and learn....you are spouting when you need to be in

You are "modern" in the sense that I was using the term. The twenty first century...that is where we are, right?

I go back to a radical stance where I search for biblical truth......see a radical is one who moves beyond the liberal and conservative branches of an institution and goes back to a fundamental questioning ....one who goes back to the root, the source, the fundamentals. This is very different from a modernist who wants to update or accommodate to the present situation.

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

You need to speak less and learn....you are spouting when you need to be in


I go back to a radical stance where I search for biblical truth......see a radical is one who moves beyond the liberal and conservative branches of an institution and goes back to a fundamental questioning ....one who goes back to the root, the source, the fundamentals. This is very different from a modernist who wants to update or accommodate to the present situation.

I understand, and I certainly did not intend "modern" in the sense of "modernist." It does seem, though, that many are heading in that direction.

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

You need to speak less and learn....you are spouting when you need to be in


I go back to a radical stance where I search for biblical truth......see a radical is one who moves beyond the liberal and conservative branches of an institution and goes back to a fundamental questioning ....one who goes back to the root, the source, the fundamentals. This is very different from a modernist who wants to update or accommodate to the present situation.

If you are interested, here is a link to an article written by a Primitive Baptist elder in 1905 against the Conditional Time Salvation that was to eventually become the norm among them. There are still some who believe in Absolute Predestination, but the vast majority do not.

A Sweet Savor | Time Salvation

 

[Yeshua1]

If you are interested, here is a link to an article written by a Primitive Baptist elder in 1905 against the Conditional Time Salvation that was to eventually become the norm among them. There are still some who believe in Absolute Predestination, but the vast majority do not.

A Sweet Savor | Time Salvation

My understanding of their belief would be that they hold to all of the elect will be saved in heaven, but only those who accept Jesus here in this life will have the blessings associated with knowing Him in this life?

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

My understanding of their belief would be that they hold to all of the elect will be saved in heaven, but only those who accept Jesus here in this life will have the blessings associated with knowing Him in this life?

Right.