Ten Reasons Why I Will Not...

[LadyEagle]

Sharpsword is saying Jesus never carried His own cross, that Simon carried the cross all the way. That is what the current issue is, Don. Murph & I disagree with what Sharpsword is saying.

 

[sharpSword]

Not quite....there are a whole stack of issues in this thread. Jesus did not carry the physical cross...and the Scriptures you provided LE...prove the word bastazo....which is used in John...for carrying a spiritual cross...unless we're all to go get a cross and carry it physically.

 

[LadyEagle]

Well, maybe we should start a poll...

but I'm going to bed.

 

[sharpSword]

Murph "Could you provide the exact chapter and verse by verse point of this ***remarks removed ***

[ April 14, 2004, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]

Murph..you eliminated the Scripture that I posted to show what happened Scripturally and I want to know why you deleted it and not just the remarks?

 

[sharpSword]

IN the movie Jesus says, `My power is given from above, otherwise my followers would not have allowed this.'

What was actually said by Jesus, was not that My power was given from above, but that MY Kingdom was not of this world.

That difference changes perception of the Divinity of Christ:

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

 

[Spirit and Truth]

SharpSword,

I have had stuff deleted as well. Quite frankly, I am about done posting on this forum. It is too hard to debate without having a level playing field. It appears that others such as Malky El have already gone.I am sure that it will make many happy, because they will no longer be faced with the fact that a good share of this movie is based on mystical visions, which clearly goes against scripture.

 

[sharpSword]

It's one thing to delete remarks which may not be correct....but to delete the Word of God....that is becoming a serious issue. And I think the administration of this forum needs to address this. If one group is allowed to post information outside the given parameters and rebutal of that information is deleted...that is simply wrong.

I would ask Dr. Bob to intervene in this.

 

[C.S. Murphy]

Originally posted by sharpSword:
Murph "Could you provide the exact chapter and verse by verse point of this ***remarks removed ***

[ April 14, 2004, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]

Murph..you eliminated the Scripture that I posted to show what happened Scripturally and I want to know why you deleted it and not just the remarks?

I must apologize for not sending you a pm explaining why, I clicked the button but apparently it didn't send. i looked back over my PM list and it wasn't there. Here is my reason, as you already stated your remarks were removed but I also removed the large list of scriptures which you had cur and pasted from the other thread as well as earlier n this thread. I honestly felt it unnecessary to cut and paste the same scriptures again.
Murph

 

[C.S. Murphy]

Originally posted by sharpSword:
It's one thing to delete remarks which may not be correct....but to delete the Word of God....that is becoming a serious issue. And I think the administration of this forum needs to address this. If one group is allowed to post information outside the given parameters and rebutal of that information is deleted...that is simply wrong.

I would ask Dr. Bob to intervene in this.

In case you don't understand the system if you wish to seek intervention from an administrator all you have to do is click on their name and send them a PM. Actually you should do that before and instead of impunging the moderation of the forum.
Murph

 

[sharpSword]

Murph, you said I could utilize the informatiom from the other thread where I had already answered these same questions and you did not respond to those responses and questions put to you either.

No you didn't PM me Murph. What really would be the point in dialoguing that way? You still did not answer the questions I asked of you the other day. What would change?

 

[uhdum]

Originally posted by sharpSword:
Scripturally it can be proven that Mary never held the Body, and she watched from afar.

I will not delve into the rest of your post, for I do agree that some Catholic influence is present in the film and I also realize that both sides are pretty well set on their stances and will not change.

However, I have heard this statement used many, many times in relation to the Passion... namely that the film is heretical in part because Mary is standing near the cross. Several verses (including Matthew 27:55) state that the women stood at a distance.

However, in John 19:25, the Bible says, "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene." Therefore, it is plain that at some point, Mary and the others did in fact stand near the cross. Certainly Mary and John were near the cross when Jesus turned over responsibility of her care to Him.

I've heard many statements given regarding the supposed heresy and inaccuracies of the film... if the film is to be criticized, then please do not let it be based on this statement any longer.

God bless!

 

[sharpSword]

uhdum "I will not delve into the rest of your post, "

Then you really can't comment on what has been said, unless you do read it and the Scriptures provided. JMHO

 

[C.S. Murphy]

I am closing this thread as it has denegrated into a worthless argument as the other closed thread did. I will await the intervention of the administration team. Sharpsword mentioned calling on Dr. Bob so perhaps he will untangle this mess.
Murph