Tenn. assoc. disfellowships church with female pastor

[Revmitchell]

I see your point on divorced men and the role of pastor. Divorce is SIN.However, I think that we both agree that a sin confessed is a sin forgiven. And if that premise is followed, then a remorseful man of God can be forgiven and restored to the role of pastor.

As for a woman, if the church is willing to allow them to teach their children and youth, but deny them the opportunity to serve as a pastor, then that seems a little hypocritical.

You will have to break it down how it is hypocritical. I don't get it.

 

[MB]

This may be interesting. When I was a boy in school and had a woman teacher I didn't do so well. When I had a man teacher I made good grades. I believe the reason is you can't get away with stuff as easily with a man teacher as you can a woman. Men have a different respect for other men than they do for women. There respect for a woman is a protective one. The respect for another man is that other man's leadership. It's hard for a woman to set a good example for a man. Simply because she's a woman and the man doesn't see what she sees the same way.
MB

 

[Jerome]

How sad that some are vexed with such hangups.

Charles Spurgeon, "The Whole Machinery of Salvation":

"I learned my theology, from which I have never swerved, from an old woman who was cook in the house where I was an usher. She could talk about the deep things of God; and as I sat and heard what she had to say, as an aged Christian, of what the Lord had done for her, I learned more from her instruction than from anybody I have ever met with since."

 

[matt wade]

How sad that some are vexed with such hangups.

Charles Spurgeon, "The Whole Machinery of Salvation":

"I learned my theology, from which I have never swerved, from an old woman who was cook in the house where I was an usher. She could talk about the deep things of God; and as I sat and heard what she had to say, as an aged Christian, of what the Lord had done for her, I learned more from her instruction than from anybody I have ever met with since."

Who cares what Spurgeon said?

 

[annsni]

How sad that some are vexed with such hangups.

Charles Spurgeon, "The Whole Machinery of Salvation":

"I learned my theology, from which I have never swerved, from an old woman who was cook in the house where I was an usher. She could talk about the deep things of God; and as I sat and heard what she had to say, as an aged Christian, of what the Lord had done for her, I learned more from her instruction than from anybody I have ever met with since."

No one said one couldn't learn from a woman. Heck, I know my husband has a dear friend who is a senior saint now who taught him a lot. She is an amazing Bible teacher and worked with youth alongside him for many years. But she never even began to approach the pastorate, knowing that was not for a woman. But her gifts never have gone to waste.

 

[Zaac]

That's kind of tough to do if the ex spouse is remarried.

Then remain single. But you do not qualify to pastor. That's just one of those consequences of divorce.

I love Charles Stanley. But I do think he should have, no matter what good he's doing, should have stepped down after his divorce IMO.

 

[annsni]

What if a man is divorced and remarried long before he ever wanted to enter the ministry? Like 30 years before? When he was divorced and even when he remarried, he was not saved but came to Christ a few years into his marriage and now he and his wife serve the Lord helping addicts overcome their addiction. Is he disqualified?

 

[Zaac]

What if a man is divorced and remarried long before he ever wanted to enter the ministry? Like 30 years before? When he was divorced and even when he remarried, he was not saved but came to Christ a few years into his marriage and now he and his wife serve the Lord helping addicts overcome their addiction. Is he disqualified?

Sin is sin, either in Christ-centered marriage or outside of it. IMO, non-Christians are held just as accountable. When they stand before the Great White Throne of Judgment, it will be for rejecting Christ and choosing to disobey what He has commanded. And to not divorce is one of those things.

God takes marriage seriously.

If he came to Christ a few years into his marriage, that means that he and his ( I'm assuming) already saved wife committed another sin of being unequally yoked. Unless his wife is dead, he is committing adultery.

This type of stuff is , I believe, one of the reasons why God takes marriage so seriously.

I'm sure there are some who will say 'that can't be right. Surely God would not have someone who wasn't saved before he got married and divorced" to remain single or be reconciled to his wife?' even if the wife has remarried.

Why wouldn't He?

But praise Him for His grace and His mercy that forgives us even when we sin in such a way.

 

[InTheLight]

Who cares what Spurgeon said?

Just about every Calvinist. John Calvin was Spurgeon's forerunner, after all.

 

[righteousdude2]

That's kind of tough to do if the ex spouse is remarried.

Zaac doesn't really care! He thinks his word is without reproach! Sad indeed!

 

[righteousdude2]

Sin is sin, either in Christ-centered marriage or outside of it. IMO, non-Christians are held just as accountable. When they stand before the Great White Throne of Judgment, it will be for rejecting Christ and choosing to disobey what He has commanded. And to not divorce is one of those things.

God takes marriage seriously.

If he came to Christ a few years into his marriage, that means that he and his ( I'm assuming) already saved wife committed another sin of being unequally yoked. Unless his wife is dead, he is committing adultery.

This type of stuff is , I believe, one of the reasons why God takes marriage so seriously.

I'm sure there are some who will say 'that can't be right. Surely God would not have someone who wasn't saved before he got married and divorced" to remain single or be reconciled to his wife?' even if the wife has remarried.

Why wouldn't He?

But praise Him for His grace and His mercy that forgives us even when we sin in such a way.

So you are saying that God can't forgive the sin of DIVORCE? That is brazen! And a little beyond what the Word teaches!

 

[Zaac]

So you are saying that God can't forgive the sin of DIVORCE? That is brazen! And a little beyond what the Word teaches!

Where did anyone say that God couldn't or wouldn't forgive the sin of divorce? He'll forgive the homosexual offense too, but I don't see you or anyone else on here making that known. The heterosexual sin of divorcing and remarrying when the spouse isn't dead should be right up there with living a fornicative homosexual lifestyle.

 

[righteousdude2]

Where did anyone say that God couldn't or wouldn't forgive the sin of divorce? He'll forgive the homosexual offense too, but I don't see you or anyone else on here making that known. The heterosexual sin of divorcing and remarrying when the spouse isn't dead should be right up there with living a fornicative homosexual lifestyle.

Old news .... more ranting and raving from what has become an old tactic of yours to draw people into nothing arguments. I think they call that "trolling?"

 

[righteousdude2]

I don't get it.

I don't get it either! Roflmao

 

[Zaac]

Old news .... more ranting and raving from what has become an old tactic of yours to draw people into nothing arguments. I think they call that "trolling?"

Be gone. You just have to make up lies so that you can write something. Sad.

 

[matt wade]

So you are saying that God can't forgive the sin of DIVORCE? That is brazen! And a little beyond what the Word teaches!

No one has said that God can't forgive the sin. What you are failing to acknowledge is that there can still be consequences for that sin. When you get heaven, go ask David if there were still consequences for his sin.

 

[annsni]

Sin is sin, either in Christ-centered marriage or outside of it. IMO, non-Christians are held just as accountable. When they stand before the Great White Throne of Judgment, it will be for rejecting Christ and choosing to disobey what He has commanded. And to not divorce is one of those things.

God takes marriage seriously.

If he came to Christ a few years into his marriage, that means that he and his ( I'm assuming) already saved wife committed another sin of being unequally yoked. Unless his wife is dead, he is committing adultery.

This type of stuff is , I believe, one of the reasons why God takes marriage so seriously.

I'm sure there are some who will say 'that can't be right. Surely God would not have someone who wasn't saved before he got married and divorced" to remain single or be reconciled to his wife?' even if the wife has remarried.

Why wouldn't He?

But praise Him for His grace and His mercy that forgives us even when we sin in such a way.

So this means any man who did not handle his household well or has been an alcoholic cannot be pastor either. It doesn't matter where he stands now - if he did it once, he is forever disqualified. At least that's what it seems what you are saying.

 

[annsni]

No one has said that God can't forgive the sin. What you are failing to acknowledge is that there can still be consequences for that sin. When you get heaven, go ask David if there were still consequences for his sin.

Did God stop using David because of his sin? Did He remove him from his rule?

I agree there are consequences but I also think some of those consequences "age out" after a time and there is a difference before and after salvation. If a pastor is in office and divorces his wife so he can marry the church secretary who he had been having an affair with, I agree - pretty much he's done. However, I do not see anywhere that a young man getting a divorce because of addiction, getting remarried then coming to Christ and overcoming his addiction - and proving over the next 30 years that he is a faithful servant of the Lord and he has repented of all of his past - that he would be disqualified from ministry.

 

[Zaac]

So this means any man who did not handle his household well or has been an alcoholic cannot be pastor either. It doesn't matter where he stands now - if he did it once, he is forever disqualified. At least that's what it seems what you are saying.

Did God stop using David because of his sin? Did He remove him from his rule?

I agree there are consequences but I also think some of those consequences "age out" after a time and there is a difference before and after salvation. If a pastor is in office and divorces his wife so he can marry the church secretary who he had been having an affair with, I agree - pretty much he's done. However, I do not see anywhere that a young man getting a divorce because of addiction, getting remarried then coming to Christ and overcoming his addiction - and proving over the next 30 years that he is a faithful servant of the Lord and he has repented of all of his past - that he would be disqualified from ministry.

No one said he was disqualified from ministry. He's disqualified from pastoring. You're stating subjective situations in which MEN have to decide if someone is disqualified based upon feelings. That's unnecesary because God has already said what disqualifies him from pastoring. A person can fix being a drunkard. The only way to fix the divorce is to go back to the person you divorced.

Marriage is different from addiction.

 

[annsni]

No one said he was disqualified from ministry. He's disqualified from pastoring. You're stating subjective situations in which MEN have to decide if someone is disqualified based upon feelings. That's unnecesary because God has already said what disqualifies him from pastoring. A person can fix being a drunkard. The only way to fix the divorce is to go back to the person you divorced.

Marriage is different from addiction.

So divorce is the only thing that can prevent a man from becoming a pastor?