Terror: Do Obama and Clinton REALLY get it?

[Zaac]

Yep. Sure did.

Apparently got you too as you asked a question that had nothing to do with my beautiful numbers.

 

[Yeshua1]

No more so than the radical right is defending radical white terrorism.



No more so than does the radical right.



Then we also need to include the radical white terrorists in that group.

How many blacks have the KKK hanged since 9-11, as many as died just in that one event?

Who/what are these so called white terrorists? Are they those who think "black lives matter" is a sham from the liberal left?

And has ANY reputable christian leader/church ever comdoned the killing of innocents, such as radical islam mandates that ALL gays/lesbians/basically all non Muslims need to die?

I really do not see this massive white movement goign aroung killing off non whites in a systematic fashion, why don't you point them out to us then?

 

[Zaac]

How many blacks have the KKK hanged since 9-11, as many as died just in that one event?

You want some of my beautiful numbers too?

Who/what are these so called white terrorists? Are they those who think "black lives matter" is a sham from the liberal left?

Naah, the latter are just the racial prejudice d with not the good sense to see that their marginalization is one of the reasons BLM exists.

Your white terrorists are the ones shooting up movie theaters and schools And churches. You know who they are.

And has ANY reputable christian leader/church ever comdoned the killing of innocents, such as radical islam mandates that ALL gays/lesbians/basically all non Muslims need to die?

You looking for individuals or religions? Make up your mind.

I really do not see this massive white movement goign aroung killing off non whites in a systematic fashion, why don't you point them out to us then?

Of course you don't. A lot of white people tend to ignore the radical white terrorists because they aren't Muslims.


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[Squire Robertsson]

Which shootings do you speak of? Charleston? I can't think of any other "mass shooting attacks" that could be considered ideologically based attacks.

Columbine was in 1999. It and Aurora in 2012 weren't ideological. Are you including the Atlanta Olympic bombing in 1996 or the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995?

Should we deduce that radical whites declared war on us also?We've had more domestic mass shooting attacks by white people since 9/11.

 

[Zaac]

Which shootings do you speak of? Charleston? I can't think of any other "mass shooting attacks" that could be considered ideologically based attacks.

Columbine was in 1999. It and Aurora in 2012 weren't ideological. Are you including the Atlanta Olympic bombing in 1996 or the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995?

Attacks don't have to be ideological to be terrorism.

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[Squire Robertsson]

Sorry to disappoint you. But to me to be the equivalent of what the jihadis (organized and unorganized) are committing, yes they do. Unless, you're speaking of let's say the Mafia terrorizing a neighborhood.

I'm not saying there haven't been killings by "radical whites" since 9/11 (actually the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993). But, they pale in comparison with the attacks carried out by jihadis in the same time period.

Attacks don't have to be ideological to be terrorism.

 

[Zaac]

Sorry to disappoint you. But to me to be the equivalent of what the jihadis (organized and unorganized) are committing, yes they do. Unless, you're speaking of let's say the Mafia terrorizing a neighborhood.

I'm not saying there haven't been killings by "radical whites" since 9/11 (actually the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993). But, they pale in comparison with the attacks carried out by jihadis in the same time period.

The only reason people think they pale, is because of a concerted effort by many, warranted or not, to demonize Muslims.

And if you need an ideology, more and more of the radical white terrorists are being found to be ideologically connected by white supremacy and/or a hatred of the government. So in that regard about an ideology, perhaps you are correct. might as well call the radical white terrorists and their Fox News talking point manifestos an ideology.

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[Revmitchell]

How many blacks have the KKK hanged since 9-11, as many as died just in that one event?

Who/what are these so called white terrorists? Are they those who think "black lives matter" is a sham from the liberal left?

And has ANY reputable christian leader/church ever comdoned the killing of innocents, such as radical islam mandates that ALL gays/lesbians/basically all non Muslims need to die?

I really do not see this massive white movement goign aroung killing off non whites in a systematic fashion, why don't you point them out to us then?

Don't just don't his answers are boring and you are only feeding his attempt to derail the thread.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Zaac, I'm speaking of the number of casualties when I use the word "pale". And no I'm not demonizing Muslims. Please note I used the designation "jihadis" to specify a what part of the Islamic world I am speaking of.

The only reason people think they pale, is because of a concerted effort by many, warranted or not, to demonize Muslims.

And if you need an ideology, more and more of the radical white terrorists are being found to be ideologically connected by white supremacy and/or a hated of the government. So in that regard about an ideology, perhaps you are correct. might as well call the radical white terrorists and their Fox News talking point manifestos an ideology.

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[Zaac]

Zaac, I'm speaking of the number of casualties when I use the word "pale". And no I'm not demonizing Muslims.

The number of casualties may be greater because of 9/11. But from a pure number of cases, we've had a whole lot more cases of radical white terrorism in this country.

Please note I used the designation "jihadis" to specify a what part of the Islamic world I am speaking of.

If you're speaking jihad, you're speaking of them all as they are all supposed to be in jihad against anyone who is not a Muslim.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I'll leave aside 9/11. But I will include Orlando, Barcelona, the Paris attacks and Brussels.

For me to take your charges seriously, you'll need to cite them. I live in Metro San Francisco. So, the cases you have in mind didn't get on the news radar here.

The number of casualties may be greater because of 9/11. But from a pure number of cases, we've had a whole lot more cases of radical white terrorism in this country.SNIP

 

[Zaac]

I'll leave aside 9/11. But I will include Orlando, Barcelona, the Paris attacks and Brussels.

For me to take your charges seriously, you'll need to cite them. I live in Metro San Francisco. So, the cases you have in mind didn't get on the news radar here.

I thought we were dealing with these United States of America? Muslims have been doing what they do outside the US for 6000 or so years.
White Americans Are The Biggest Terror Threat In The United States
Almost twice as many people have died in attacks by right-wing groups in America than have died in attacks by Muslim extremists.
By Global Post | November 27, 2015

White Americans are the biggest terror threat in the United States, according to a study by the New America Foundation. The Washington-based research organization did a review of “terror” attacks on US soil since Sept. 11, 2001 and found that most of them were carried out by radical anti-government groups or white supremacists.



Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11

 

[Alcott]

I thought we were dealing with these United States of America? Muslims have been doing what they do outside the US for 6000 or so years.

Considering that the muzzlum religion began less than 14 centuries ago, that's a little hard to swallow.

Almost twice as many people have died in attacks by right-wing groups in America than have died in attacks by Muslim extremists.

Since crocodiles kill about 5000 people annually [http://www.animaldanger.com/most-dangerous-animals.php], which is very small compared to the 725,000 that mosquitoes kill [http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...-humans-human-murderers-do-180951272/?no-ist], let's quit making biggg isssues when a croc kills somebody.

It's impact that makes the difference in perception. Far more people are killed in automobile collisions than in aircraft crashes. But the more violent the incident, the more killed in one event, the more media and government converge on it... the more people will run around lamenting "We got to DO something to see that never happens again!" forgetting the many more killed in other ways.

So go ahead and pet the crocodiles and invite them to your home-- just condemn those bloodthirsty mosquitoes to an everlasting pool of Raid™.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

The NY Times article is dated June 24, 2015. So, it leaves out Orlando. Again according to the NYT the count is 48 non-jihadi v 26 jihadi.

 

[carpro]

The only reason people think they pale, is because of a concerted effort by many, warranted or not, to demonize Muslims.

That's a really dumb stance to take. The facts tell an entirely different story.

 

[Zaac]

The NY Times article is dated June 24, 2015. So, it leaves out Orlando. Again according to the NYT the count is 48 non-jihadi v 26 jihadi.

So almost 2:1 as there have been more non-jihadi occurrences since 2015 also.

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[Zaac]

That's a really dumb stance to take. The facts tell an entirely different story.

The facts tell the story that radical white domestic terrorists strike the US far more than do Muslims.

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[carpro]

The facts tell the story that radical white domestic terrorists strike the US far more than do Muslims.

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No they don't . Your source is a left wing government funded propaganda source that totally ignores left wing attacks in it's data. Real unbiased.

 

[Aaron]

Do Obama and Clinton truly understand what terrorism is, and what terrorists want as their end goal? And do these two really understand that this group of radical Muslims have declared
war on us, and that they want that war fought on our soil?

Yep. And they're all for it.

 

[Lewis]

Almost twice as many people have died in attacks by right-wing groups in America than have died in attacks by Muslim extremists.

From the cited article, "Counting terrorism cases is a subjective enterprise, relying on shifting definitions and judgment calls."

So for example, they are counting the two Columbine shooters as right-wing extremists? Those boys had no particular ideology other than maybe violent video games.