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Terror on the Left

FollowTheWay

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‘breaking it’s pact with Iran’, that is a chuckle isn’t it? Maybe you can enlighten us on what we gained from the pact, besides kissing the butt of terrorists. That, thank you very much, is not why we elected DJT. The world see’s it, & so does Iran. We, the US of A, are back, & no longer bowing.
No worries for me about the stock market, they will throw a hissy, then revert to reality. We are due a major correction, so protect yourself accordingly, irregardless.
Along with our allies the U.K., Germany, and France as well as Russia and China, we agreed to the Iran Accord. Trump unilaterally withdrew America without consulting with the rest of the countries who had ratified it. We further isolated ourselves from the world including our allies. I think America should live up to its promises and if changes are necessary negotiate them in good faith. We have shown the world that our word means nothing. Why shroud N Korea sign a nuclear withdrawal treaty with a country that doesn't keep its word?
 

InTheLight

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Along with our allies the U.K., Germany, and France as well as Russia and China, we agreed to the Iran Accord. Trump unilaterally withdrew America without consulting with the rest of the countries who had ratified it. We further isolated ourselves from the world including our allies. I think America should live up to its promises and if changes are necessary negotiate them in good faith. We have shown the world that our word means nothing. Why shroud N Korea sign a nuclear withdrawal treaty with a country that doesn't keep its word?

Iran agreement was just that--an agreement, not a treaty. Iran knew it could possibly get reversed by a future administration.

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Wingman68

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Along with our allies the U.K., Germany, and France as well as Russia and China, we agreed to the Iran Accord. Trump unilaterally withdrew America without consulting with the rest of the countries who had ratified it. We further isolated ourselves from the world including our allies. I think America should live up to its promises and if changes are necessary negotiate them in good faith. We have shown the world that our word means nothing. Why shroud N Korea sign a nuclear withdrawal treaty with a country that doesn't keep its word?
It was an Obama/Kerry deal, not a United States deal. They gave away the farm, & a planeload of cash & gold in the middle of the night, where did ‘they’ get that? Do you have a clue? You reference our allies. They are all cowering globalists who are giving away their sovereignty by the day (not Russia & China as I don’t consider them allies anyway) is that what you want for us? You want a go along to get along country apparently. Someone has to lead, or we will all follow the Soro’s of the world. I appreciate Trump’s backbone, he is for us, not them. Without a strong US there will be no freedom in the world. Kerry is now openly colluding with the Iranians, what say you about that?
 
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FollowTheWay

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Iran agreement was just that--an agreement, not a treaty. Iran knew it could possibly get reversed by a future administration.

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Iran nuclear deal: Key details
Iran nuclear deal: Key details

In 2015, Iran agreed a long-term deal on its nuclear programme with the P5+1 group of world powers - the US, UK, France, China, Russia and Germany.
It came after years of tension over Iran's alleged efforts to develop a nuclear weapon. Iran insisted that its nuclear programme was entirely peaceful, but the international community did not believe that.
Under the accord, Iran agreed to limit its sensitive nuclear activities and allow in international inspectors in return for the lifting of crippling economic sanctions.
Here are the commitments set out in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

Under the deal, Iran gained access to more than $100bn in assets frozen overseas, and was able to resume selling oil on international markets and using the global financial system for trade.
Should Iran violate any aspect of the deal, the UN sanctions will automatically "snap back" into place for 10 years, with the possibility of a five-year extension.
If the Joint Commission cannot resolve a dispute, it will be referred to the UN Security Council.
Iran also agreed to the continuation of the UN arms embargo on the country for up to five years, although it could end earlier if the IAEA is satisfied that its nuclear programme is entirely peaceful. A UN ban on the import of ballistic missile technology will also remain in place for up to eight years.

Other countries don't make international agreements that are binding given that they might be reversed with a change in government. The other countries involved in this are looking into continuing a changed arrangement without the U.S. This is simply not the way international diplomacy is done. of course, Trump doesn't know what that means. he still hasn't recommended anyone to serve as ambassador to S. Korea. That seems to be an important part of the world to me. he does "Twitter" diplomacy
 

FollowTheWay

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It was an Obama/Kerry deal, not a United States deal. They gave away the farm, & a planeload of cash & gold in the middle of the night, where did ‘they’ get that? Do you have a clue? You reference our allies. They are all cowering globalists who are giving away their sovereignty by the day (not Russia & China as I don’t consider them allies anyway) is that what you want for us? You want a go along to get along country apparently. Someone has to lead, or we will all follow the Soro’s of the world. I appreciate Trump’s backbone, he is for us, not them. Without a strong US there will be no freedom in the world. Kerry is now openly colluding with the Iranians, what say you about that?
It was a U.S. deal. Do you want for us to ditch our allies and go it alone? That's insane.
 

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It was an Obama deal, period. Even the New York Slimes said so:.

Obama Sees an Iran Deal That Could Avoid Congress

and that's exactly what he did with his deal. It did come up in Congress, couldn't break filibuster:

Where lawmakers stand on the Iran deal

boo hoo hoo, Obama's legacy eroded yet again, dangers of an executive order as opposed to a treaty. Twitter diplomacy is sure working a lot better than pen and phone diplomacy,
 

FollowTheWay

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Yep, it's a deal, not a treaty. Furthermore, it's Obama's deal. He didn't try to make it a treaty because he knew he didn't have the votes in the Senate.
Everything Trump is doing is a deal. He doesn't consult with our allies or the Congress. In the sense you're talking about it's all about Trump and nothing about mth U.S. Government.
 

Reynolds

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Everything Trump is doing is a deal. He doesn't consult with our allies or the Congress. In the sense you're talking about it's all about Trump and nothing about mth U.S. Government.
Trump will officially have his "deal" ratified as a treaty; unlike Obamas illegal front loaded Iran give away.
 

HankD

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Trump will officially have his "deal" ratified as a treaty; unlike Obamas illegal front loaded Iran give away.
With so much CASH I believe a C130 had to be used to get it to the Shaw.
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InTheLight

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Everything Trump is doing is a deal. He doesn't consult with our allies or the Congress. In the sense you're talking about it's all about Trump and nothing about mth U.S. Government.
Trump isn't so much making deals, rather he is undoing terrible deals and executive orders that Obama originated.

Furthermore, the executive branch is in charge of foreign policy and has some latitude on what it can and can't do.

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HankD

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Iran nuclear deal: Key details
Iran nuclear deal: Key details

In 2015, Iran agreed a long-term deal on its nuclear programme with the P5+1 group of world powers - the US, UK, France, China, Russia and Germany.
It came after years of tension over Iran's alleged efforts to develop a nuclear weapon. Iran insisted that its nuclear programme was entirely peaceful, but the international community did not believe that.
Under the accord, Iran agreed to limit its sensitive nuclear activities and allow in international inspectors in return for the lifting of crippling economic sanctions.
Here are the commitments set out in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

Under the deal, Iran gained access to more than $100bn in assets frozen overseas, and was able to resume selling oil on international markets and using the global financial system for trade.
Should Iran violate any aspect of the deal, the UN sanctions will automatically "snap back" into place for 10 years, with the possibility of a five-year extension.
If the Joint Commission cannot resolve a dispute, it will be referred to the UN Security Council.
Iran also agreed to the continuation of the UN arms embargo on the country for up to five years, although it could end earlier if the IAEA is satisfied that its nuclear programme is entirely peaceful. A UN ban on the import of ballistic missile technology will also remain in place for up to eight years.

Other countries don't make international agreements that are binding given that they might be reversed with a change in government. The other countries involved in this are looking into continuing a changed arrangement without the U.S. This is simply not the way international diplomacy is done. of course, Trump doesn't know what that means. he still hasn't recommended anyone to serve as ambassador to S. Korea. That seems to be an important part of the world to me. he does "Twitter" diplomacy

A possible reason:

A hydrogen bomb has a number of ingredients that are simply not available to most people at any price. These include things like weapons grade uranium or plutonium, heavy hydrogen, high explosives, and specialized fuse devices for the explosives. You also need to be able to machine and otherwise manipulate these materials according to a precise model that is not available in the public domain. Put differently, the design details of a hydrogen bomb are highly classified and those who know how to do it will do just about anything to keep others from learning the secrets.

This is an activity available only to nation/states and only a very small number of them. For these nations cost is no object since they are spending other people's money to gain political advantages given to nuclear powers. It can't be done by individuals or small groups of people for any price.

https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-hydrogen-bomb

One thermonuclear device would possibly cost a C130 full of cash.

Goodbye Jerusalem?
 
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