Texas GOP: Biden not Legitimately Elected

[JonC]

Each state has its own laws on how electors are chosen. If they did not legally meet those laws then it is a fact that the President was illegitimately chosen.

This is not true. In the end it is up to individual states to figure out how their electors are chosen and which are sent. The electors are not even bound to vote for a particular candidate.

The office of President is a federal office. The President was legitimately chosen based on the US Constitution.

Do you believe the Constitution needs to be amended to allow for greater federal oversight?

 

[canadyjd]

I don't think there is any specific statute prohibiting one from flying airliners into the World Trade Center. But what would justice be?

So there is no specific statute on what to do about one who is illegally installed in the White House, making illegal orders, illegally signing bills, illegally making mandates that have cost lives and livlihoods,

What would justice be?

You are moving dangerously close to actionable threats against POTUS.

You should rethink your analogies.

Justice would be voting in a new congress in 2022 and voting him out in 2024.

Peace to you

 

[Aaron]

You are moving dangerously close to actionable threats against POTUS.

You should rethink your analogies.

Justice would be voting in a new congress in 2022 and voting him out in 2024.

Peace to you

Oh, please! I'm talking about the sovereign states, acting in their sovereignty to do justice. Governors with courage, like Desantis and Abbott.

No, justice is not losing an election. Justice is punishing evildoers.

We'll see what 2022 holds. I think the fix is in, but if it isn't, it will be the Dems bringing war. You saw it all through 2020 and 2021.

I will admit it is a scary thought, but it was the Dems that brought us to this point. The Dems always bring war.

Peace to you too.

 

[Aaron]

Interestingly enough, after the Civil War, the Republicans didn't take the southern citizens' guns away.

 

[canadyjd]

Interestingly enough, after the Civil War, the Republicans didn't take the southern citizens' guns away.

That is true. The first big gun control fight was after the civil war when Dems attempted to get guns away from former slaves.

Peace to you

 

[Revmitchell]

This is not true. In the end it is up to individual states to figure out how their electors are chosen and which are sent. The electors are not even bound to vote for a particular candidate.

The office of President is a federal office. The President was legitimately chosen based on the US Constitution.

Do you believe the Constitution needs to be amended to allow for greater federal oversight?

This answer indicated you didnt actually read my post

 

[JonC]

This answer indicated you didnt actually read my post

I did read your post. The first part was correct, but the conclusion is wrong. The people do not choose a President. The electors sent by the states choose the President.

Do you believe the Constitution should be changed to provide federal oversight or perhaps to make it so that the people actually choose the President by popular vote? Or maybe that it is a popular vote in each state and that is how the State's electors must vote?

 

[Revmitchell]

I did read your post. The first part was correct, but the conclusion is wrong. The people do not choose a President. The electors sent by the states choose the President.

Do you believe the Constitution should be changed to provide federal oversight or perhaps to make it so that the people actually choose the President by popular vote? Or maybe that it is a popular vote in each state and that is how the State's electors must vote?

And you continue to prove either you didnt read it or you lack reading comprehension. Further your questioning of my believing in the constitution is nothing but flaming and its dishonest

 

[Benjamin]

Biden was officially

of·fi·cial·ly
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adverb

1. in a formal and public way.
   "next month the election campaign will officially begin"
   • with the authority of the government or some other organization.
     "it was officially acknowledged that the economy was in recession"
   • in public and for official purposes but not necessarily so in reality.
     "there is a possibility he was murdered—officially, he died in a car crash"

 

[JonC]

And you continue to prove either you didnt read it or you lack reading comprehension. Further your questioning of my believing in the constitution is nothing but flaming and its dishonest

????

I did read your post. I disagree about what makes an election legitimate per the US Constitution (not State constitutions).

I have never questioned your belief in the Constitution. You are just trying to disrupt and slander here.

I do not believe in the Constitution. The Constitution is a document establishing the governance of our nation.

I was asked you if you thought the Constitution (not Scripture) needed to be amended.

 

[canadyjd]

of·fi·cial·ly
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adverb

1. in a formal and public way.
   "next month the election campaign will officially begin"
   • with the authority of the government or some other organization.
     "it was officially acknowledged that the economy was in recession"
   • in public and for official purposes but not necessarily so in reality.
     "there is a possibility he was murdered—officially, he died in a car crash"

I understand you think there was massive fraud in 2020, but the official constitutional process of states certifying the votes and sending electors to Congress to announce those votes was followed.

Biden is officially the POTUS

peace to you

 

[Revmitchell]

I understand you think there was massive fraud in 2020, but the official constitutional process of states certifying the votes and sending electors to Congress to announce those votes was followed.

Biden is officially the POTUS

peace to you

Actually we do not know that it was.

 

[canadyjd]

Actually we do not know that it was.

Ok, which states did not certify their election results and send electors to Congress?

I understand several states violated their own state election laws specifically in the way mail in ballots and absentee ballots were allowed and counted counted.

The process to challenge those ballots comes prior to States certifying the results.

Ultimately, all the states certified their results and sent electors to congress. That is the constitutional process. At that, the 2020 election was over. There were never enough votes in the house and senate to challenge any elector, much less enough to throw the results put.

It’s a hard pill to swallow. I get it. But it’s over.

Time to focus on 22/24. If states AG’s find evidence of fraud, let everyone be prosecuted and let a jury decide.

We have to hold to this process or we will descend into chaos and anarchy. I know many believe we are already there, but I’m hopeful it can be corrected by voting.

peace to you

 

[Revmitchell]

Ok, which states did not certify their election results and send electors to Congress?

I understand several states violated their own state election laws specifically in the way mail in ballots and absentee ballots were allowed and counted counted.

The process to challenge those ballots comes prior to States certifying the results.

Ultimately, all the states certified their results and sent electors to congress. That is the constitutional process. At that, the 2020 election was over. There were never enough votes in the house and senate to challenge any elector, much less enough to throw the results put.

It’s a hard pill to swallow. I get it. But it’s over.

Time to focus on 22/24. If states AG’s find evidence of fraud, let everyone be prosecuted and let a jury decide.

We have to hold to this process or we will descend into chaos and anarchy. I know many believe we are already there, but I’m hopeful it can be corrected by voting.

peace to you

So here is the issue with your view. First, certification cannot just be what ever the powers that be want it to be. There is a legal process they must follow. Second, leading up to the certification they must have proper votes. If the votes are not proper but the powers that be certify it anyway then they have done something illegal and the certification is not valid. Certification does not erase impropriety leading up to the certification. Not sure why this needs to be explained.

 

[canadyjd]

So here is the issue with your view. First, certification cannot just be what ever the powers that be want it to be. There is a legal process they must follow. Second, leading up to the certification they must have proper votes. If the votes are not proper but the powers that be certify it anyway then they have done something illegal and the certification is not valid. Certification does not erase impropriety leading up to the certification. Not sure why this needs to be explained.

I understand what you are saying. The courts either accept or reject legal challenges to the ballots in question. Once that process runs its course, the legislature make the ultimate decision to accept or reject by certifying (or not) the votes and send electors to congress.

I understand you think the courts failed to intervene when the violation of election laws was not really in question. I understand you believe the state legislatures failed to protect the integrity of the election process by refusing to certify the results.

But the matter is now over. All states certified the results and sent electors to congress. There is no legal recourse to change 2020.

All time and energy given to that end is a waste of time and energy that could be spent on elections in 22/24.

Many states have already passed laws that will prevent the same kind of election impropriety from happening again.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

So here is the issue with your view. First, certification cannot just be what ever the powers that be want it to be. There is a legal process they must follow. Second, leading up to the certification they must have proper votes. If the votes are not proper but the powers that be certify it anyway then they have done something illegal and the certification is not valid. Certification does not erase impropriety leading up to the certification. Not sure why this needs to be explained.

In each state elecon officials create Cerficates of Ascertainment (establish the credenals of their electors). These are sent to OFR. In December, the electors hold meengs in their States to vote for President and Vice President.

The electors seal Cerficates of Vote and send them to the OFR and Congress.

In January, Congress sits in joint session to cerfy the elecon of the President and Vice President.

You are contending the electors did not hold this meeting as required and somebody else made the vote and sealed the certificates?

 

[canadyjd]

In each state elecon officials create Cerficates of Ascertainment (establish the credenals of their electors). These are sent to OFR. In December, the electors hold meengs in their States to vote for President and Vice President.

The electors seal Cerficates of Vote and send them to the OFR and Congress.

In January, Congress sits in joint session to cerfy the elecon of the President and Vice President.

You are contending the electors did not hold this meeting as required and somebody else made the vote and sealed the certificates?

The process was followed. The allegations of fraud failed in the courts and in the legislatures. At that point, the process is mere ceremony.

It is difficult to accept an outcome you believe in your core being is obviously fraud. In the mind of many Trump supporters (and Trump himself) to accept such an outcome is to be complicit with it.

Some folks, imo, would rather see the country burn than accept the outcome. That was true on the left with 2016, and they pushed the country into a constitutional crisis, undermining Trump every day and in every way they could. It is now true of many on the right (not accusing anyone in BB)

peace to you

 

[Revmitchell]

But the matter is now over. All states certified the results and sent electors to congress. There is no legal recourse to change 2020.

All time and energy given to that end is a waste of time and energy that could be spent on elections in 22/24.

Many states have already passed laws that will prevent the same kind of election impropriety from happening again.

peace to you

Even if what you say is true, and I don't believe it, but if it is that doesn't mean what happened should not be investigated and exposed. Sorry but sit down and shut up is not going to work for me.

 

[canadyjd]

Even if what you say is true, and I don't believe it, but if it is that doesn't mean what happened should not be investigated and exposed. Sorry but sit down and shut up is not going to work for me.

I fully agree with you it should be investigated and I have said so in this thread. Investigate and prosecute

peace to you

 

[Benjamin]

I understand you think there was massive fraud in 2020, but the official constitutional process of states certifying the votes and sending electors to Congress to announce those votes was followed.

Biden is officially the POTUS

peace to you

The Constitutional process guarantees a free and FAIR election, it was not, therefore it was NOT Constitutional.

Good for Texas! As per Arizona:

"The election was called in Arizona (after dragging out the count for days) by 10,457 votes

In just Maricopa County 202 mules trafficked ballots from left-wing groups to drop boxes over FOUR THOUSAND times"

"The average mule made TWENTY ONE visits to drop boxes trafficking ballots."

This is prove of the illegitimacy of the 2020 election. May truth prevail.