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texas has destroyed its electricity grid, blacked out during frigid freeze

Baptist Believer

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Don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.
Wind power is not at strong in the winter, so no one expects it to provide maximum capacity. It is outperforming expectations.

Biden and AOC says natural gas turbines and coal use caused the power grid collapse, not the windmills.
That’s true, in a general sense.

Psaki is really reaching with her 'uhm' words meaning she is prevaricating and unsure of what she is saying.
She is probably just aware she is not well-versed in the unregulated Texas grid. ERCOT does not impose many requirements on power producers regarding weatherproofing their equipment. That’s going to have to change.

Temperatures fell into the teens near Dallas...
No, temperatures were near 0F in Dallas (lower in other places), and the high temperatures have been in the teens. You don’t know what you are talking about.

...and 20s around Houston with wind chills near zero.
Nope, the temperatures were in the mid to low teens, with highs reaching the high 20s to just above freezing. My mother lives in Houston and I have been in touch with lots of friends who live there and east of there. Again, you don’t know what you are talking about.

According to state authorities, nearly half of the wind turbines in Texas froze, hurting the power supplies.
That’s correct, but misleading. We should have been able to handle this without the wind power added to the mix of power sources. Because of deregulation in the 1990s, energy companies make the decisions and we have been operating with less reserve than we should have had.

The 2 could not be further apart than that, Biden's team is gaslighting the American public.
There are a bunch of people making broad claims that are based on ignorance. We also have public officials here in Texas who are trying to deal with angry residents since they are in charge of the way the grid has been run. In 2011, there was a strong push to winterize infrastructure, but it was left to private energy producers to do it voluntarily, so it didn’t get done since it is expensive. Be are paying for that now.

Now what you believe to be the truth about what is going on would align you as closer to the LEFT or to the Conservative right.
I align with reality, which does not neatly align with either extreme. The Republicans are trying to use this crisis to push their agenda, and Texas officials are hoping to pass the buck, but they (GOP) have been in charge and making decisions for at least the last 30 years. “The LEFT” has had no role or voice in ERCOT.

I know you want to make this about “the LEFT,” but it isn’t. It is about human arrogance and issues with the philosophy that private firms will operate in the public interest instead of short-term profits for their shareholders.
 

Scott Downey

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Does anyone realize a shortage of Natural Gas is the fault of the GND ideology?
Rather than make sure there is enough supply of coal or Ngas, they are out building windmills.
The GND ideology says get rid of all hydrocarbons, and Natural Gas is a hydrocarbon, so it's development is suppressed in favor of windmills and solar panels, that is why there is not enough energy when it is needed. People have no brains anymore.
Cause and effect dont work for some minds.
Why Texas’ energy grid is unable to handle the winter storms

Historically, Texas’ days of high energy demands are always in the summer, Magness said. “We were seeing demand forecasts that were close to a summer peak,” he said. The state’s two largest sources of energy, natural gas and nonhydroelectric renewables, such as wind turbines and solar power, were all severely hampered by the winter storm.

Conservative critics blamed the power outages on a failure of green energy, but that doesn't explain the problem. Wind and solar generate about only 21 percent of the state's electrical power. Instead, natural gas, which powers half the state's electrical generation — by far the largest source — was in use by home furnaces, and some power plants couldn't get enough.

“In the winter, it’s harder to get natural gas supplies, because they’re much more in demand for home heating and uses like that,” he said. Severe wind and snow have interfered with some natural gas equipment and frozen wind turbines, and the overcast weather has drastically slowed solar panel production, he said.
 

Scott Downey

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Understand that the GND people will say Texas's problems are becuase they did not build enough windmills.

But the real problem is they did not create enough natural gas storage to meet demand.

They did that because of GND style global warming indoctrination and propaganda which teaches natural gas is bad-evil, along with cows, they dont want cows either.
 

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Does anyone realize a shortage of Natural Gas is the fault of the GND ideology?
No, because it is not. It is completely unrelated.

Rather than make sure there is enough supply of coal or Ngas, they are out building windmills.
You make it sound like the same people ("they") have been diverted from one thing to another. Both have proceeded at the same time. They are completely different technologies and require completely different skill sets.

The GND ideology says get rid of all hydrocarbons...
That's an exaggeration.

...and Natural Gas is a hydrocarbon...
It is, but it is a relatively clean-burning hydrocarbon, so it is hoped to be the transitional fuel for the next 100 years while we developed cleaner technology.

...so it's development is suppressed in favor of windmills and solar panels...
This is a complete fabrication. The primary driver of the natural gas market at the moment is the price of oil. That's because when oil prices go up, the economic value of drilling/fracking for oil makes the well profitable. That's because natural gas can exist by itself ("dry" gas) or in conjunction with petroleum liquids ("wet" gas). When they drill for oil, either conventional or fracking, they almost always encounter a large quantity of natural gas in the formation. Many, many years ago, they used to just vent the gas. Now it is recognized as a valuable commodity, so it is captured and dropped into the natural gas market, regardless of market value price, driving the price down on natural gas across the board, since the primary concern is extracting the oil. When oil prices first hit $100 a barrel for West Texas Sweet Crude about a decade ago, it almost completely shut down the extraction of "dry" gases in the Hayneville Shale (Louisiana and East Texas), the Barnett Shale (under my feet -- in the area underneath and surrounding Fort Worth), and Marcellus Shale (under New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Eastern Ohio, West Virginia). The hot plays are currently the Bakken Shale (North Dakota, Montana, Canada) and the Eagle Ford Shale (under a huge swatch of land from the Texas Hill Country to the Mexican border). Those two areas produce much of the oil that enters the WORLD oil market. When the drilling activity ends and the wells become mature, the gas companies will reopen many "dry" gas wells that were previously producing and drill additional ones in areas where we already know there is accessible natural gas.

So your fantasy that "they" are not pursuing fossil fuels anymore in favor of windmills and solar is nonsense. Both are being done at the same time.

(On another thread, you are opposed to oil prices going up, so YOU are the one who is opposed to securing new reserves of natural gas, you just don't know it because you have no idea what you are talking about.)

...that is why there is not enough energy when it is needed.
No, there is plenty of natural gas available, but poor planning, low oil prices, and lack of weatherizing the infrastructure has caused the issue.

People have no brains anymore.
Yes, I feel that way too.

Cause and effect dont work for some minds.
Sometimes what seems to be apparent cause and effect is not as simple as it might appear. The crowing rooster doesn't cause the sun to rise, even though it might look that way. Correlation does not equal causation.

Historically, Texas’ days of high energy demands are always in the summer, Magness said. “We were seeing demand forecasts that were close to a summer peak,” he said. The state’s two largest sources of energy, natural gas and nonhydroelectric renewables, such as wind turbines and solar power, were all severely hampered by the winter storm.
Yes.

Conservative critics blamed the power outages on a failure of green energy, but that doesn't explain the problem.
Correct.

Wind and solar generate about only 21 percent of the state's electrical power. Instead, natural gas, which powers half the state's electrical generation — by far the largest source — was in use by home furnaces, and some power plants couldn't get enough.
Yes. Precisely what I explained earlier.

“In the winter, it’s harder to get natural gas supplies, because they’re much more in demand for home heating and uses like that,” he said. Severe wind and snow have interfered with some natural gas equipment and frozen wind turbines, and the overcast weather has drastically slowed solar panel production, he said.
Yes. They did not plan to have enough natural gas in reserve, even though natural gas is incredibly cheap in the depressed market (because of oil prices).

So your article told you exactly what I have been telling you.

Understand that the GND people will say Texas's problems are becuase they did not build enough windmills.
If they do, they are speaking out of ignorance.

But the real problem is they did not create enough natural gas storage to meet demand.
In part. Storing natural gas is extremely expensive, and there is a lot of liability if it detonates. Plus, Texas is virtually unregulated in terms of energy production for ERCOT, and there is no financial incentive for private firms to create massive storage facilities that are a source of great expense and liability. When the market begins to run low on natural gas, the price goes up and they can make more money during the time it takes to open more wells and introduce gas into the system. That's why regulations and standards are important, since unregulated capitalism does not always work for the public good. Texas may need to create a massive natural gas reserve for emergencies like this that occur every few decades using taxpayer dollars.

They did that because of GND style global warming indoctrination and propaganda which teaches natural gas is bad-evil, along with cows, they dont want cows either.
The GND people have nothing to do with this.
 
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Scott Downey

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Texans in Disbelief as Power Bills Skyrocket Thousands of Dollars a Day


another serious repercussion failure to what Texas did with their inadequate NGas preparations and windmills that freeze up when cold, spot prices of electricity skyrocketed.
That was due to their main focus on pursuing GND power generation goals.

“I paid $450 for one day,” Griddy customer Akilah Scott-Amos told the Daily Beast. “I was in shock.”

Soon, her bill skyrocketed. The $450 soon turned to a whopping $2,869 sum as Scott-Amos was charged thousands to keep warm and connected.

Griddy’s customers found that as demand for power soared amid the raging storm, the normal $50 per megawatt-hour price quickly adjusted to match the going market rate — which climbed to over $9,000 per megawatt-hour.
 

Scott Downey

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Where I live in VA, we get our power from Surry Nuclear power station run by Dominion Power, I do think we need to have more and better nuclear power generators.

There are new proven designs that can not melt down, explode. The PWR water reactors main design purposes was to make plutonium for the military and electric power.

The new reactor designs are just to make electrical power. Even if the cooling water flow quits, those reactors can not melt down if pumps fail.

It is too bad the GND people have rejected safe nuclear power reactors completely with their new designs, but they are a bunch of fools.

3 examples, but there are more than that.
3 Advanced Reactor Systems to Watch by 2030

When ice and snow form on solar panels, windmill blades ice over and gear boxes stiffen up in the cold, you have no power. Same idea as a plane wing must be deiced or it cant fly, a windmill blade also cant spin covered in ice, it would disintegrate or offer no lift.
 
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When ice and snow form on solar panels, windmill blades ice over and gear boxes stiffen up in the cold, you have no power. Same idea as a plane wing must be deiced or it cant fly, a windmill blade also cant spin covered in ice, it would disintegrate or offer no lift.

There must be ways to deal with these things, as the windmills in Maine keep spinning and we occasionally get cold weather and a snowflake or two.
 

Baptist Believer

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Griddy’s customers found that as demand for power soared amid the raging storm, the normal $50 per megawatt-hour price quickly adjusted to match the going market rate — which climbed to over $9,000 per megawatt-hour.
This affects very few people, since most do not buy energy at wholesale rates. Those that do -- large businesses and major users of electrical power -- can absorb the hit more readily, since they usually save an enormous amount on power normally.
 

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There must be ways to deal with these things, as the windmills in Maine keep spinning and we occasionally get cold weather and a snowflake or two.
Exactly. Many of the wind turbines in Texas are churning just fine. Wind power is outperformed the expected yield during the winter emergency, even with some turbines frozen up.
 

Yeshua1

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Exactly. Many of the wind turbines in Texas are churning just fine. Wind power is outperformed the expected yield during the winter emergency, even with some turbines frozen up.
Just very sad that a state with hugh oil; and gas reserves has to wait on the wind to blow to get heat now!
 

Scott Downey

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Just very sad that a state with huge oil; and gas reserves has to wait on the wind to blow to get heat now!
The LEFT will say nothing wrong with wind and solar unless you dont have enough wind mills and solar panels, they absolutely hate Ngas, oil, nuclear.
Watch them swing that bat at the hydrocarbon industry as the failure, AOC already has.

The Texas wind power failure—wave of the future?

FAIL, super expensive power, just imagine everyone plugging in their electric cars to the grid.
https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/offshore-wind-power-vast-boondoggle-that-ny-can-no-longer-afford/

Consider Rhode Island’s 30-megawatt, six-turbine offshore wind project located off Block Island and operated by Deepwater Wind. A decade ago, Rhode Island’s public utility commission rejected the project, concluding that the sky-high prices it would charge the local electric utility would adversely affect consumers. Yet the Rhode Island legislature ignored consumer interests and forced the commission to approve a 20-year contract.

At the start, in 2016, the local utility paid $245 per megawatt-hour for the project’s electricity, with a guaranteed increase of 3.5 percent each year. In 2035, the last year of the contract, the price will be an eye-popping $470 per MWh. By contrast, the average price of wholesale electricity in New England last year was about $31/MWh. In New York, average prices ranged between $22 per MWh upstate to $51 per MWh in Gotham.
 

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Just very sad that a state with hugh oil; and gas reserves has to wait on the wind to blow to get heat now!
The wind HAS been blowing and the wind turbines are producing more than expected. The shortfall has nothing to do with wind power. It has to do with not winterizing the infrastructure AND exceptionally poor planning, where ERCOT planners assumed they would have as much natural gas at their disposal as they needed, forgetting that natural gas is widely used by consumers for heating of homes and water. That left them with lower reserves, and when some of the pipeline systems lost power and/or froze up, they were not able to get enough natural gas to produce electricity.
 

Wingman68

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Meanwhile FEMA sends 60 generators. Trump would have been there. Where is Biden, playing video games? And wondering how he got to wake up in the White House? Not to worry, Jill just promised free community college for all. Wonder if the media would have roasted Melania if a couple of weeks in she was spending the peoples money for them. Biden/Jill must be another one of those two for one presidencies.
But hey, no worries Texas, with the new influx of ILLEGALS, many will be ‘resettled’ in your reddest cities. It’s gerrymandering 101, dem style.
 

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Biden suspends Trump executive order, opens door for China to influence our electric grid
Posted by: Pat Droney|January 23, 2021 |Categories Featured, Must Reads
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WASHINGTON, DC- In yet another indication that Biden plans on selling the United States down the river to China, the overmatched Biden quietly revoked an executive order issued by President Trump which was intended to keep foreign countries out of our power grid.

Trump’s order was indirectly intended to keep China, our primary enemy, out of our infrastructure. Biden’s “Executive Order on Protecting Public Health and the Environment and Restoring Science to Tackle the Climate Crisis” undoes all of that.

Along with revoking the permit for the Keystone XL Pipeline, which experts say will eliminate thousands of jobs, Biden’s order also pulls back on several other climate and energy-focused executive orders that had been implemented under the Trump administration,” the National Pulse says.

The portion that exposes our power grid to foreign control is under Subpoint C, which says: “Executive order 13920 of May 1, 2020 (Securing the United States Bulk-Power System), is hereby suspended for 90 days.”

Terrific.

President Trump’s order was intended to ban, replace and set new criteria on bulk-power system (BPS) electric equipment coming from a foreign country or nation which may pose a national security threat.

Trump’s order stated:

“Foreign adversaries are increasingly creating and exploiting vulnerabilities in the United States bulk-power system, which provides the electricity that supports our national defense, vital emergency services, critical infrastructure, economy and way of life.

The bulk-power system is a target of those seeking to commit malicious acts against the United States and its people, including malicious cyber activities, because a successful attack on our bulk-power system would present significant risks to our economy, human health and safety, and would render the United States less capable of acting in defense of itself and its allies,’ the intro to Trump’s order read.

The question becomes; why would Biden want to overturn or suspend that order for 90 days? To what end?

Either Biden is naïve as to the threat posed by the Chinese Communist Party, he doesn’t care, or perhaps there is a financial incentive somewhere for a member of the Biden family. It wouldn’t be the first time that has happened, accordingto Tony Bobulinski, a former business associate of Hunter Biden.

The executive order issued by President Trump continued, by prohibiting “any acquisition, importation, transfer or installation of BPS electric equipment by any person or with respect to any property to which a foreign country or a nation thereof has any interest, that poses an undue risk to the BPS, the security or resiliency of U.S. critical infrastructure, or the U.S. economy, or U.S. national security or the security and safety of U.S. persons.”


Trump also directed the Department of Energy to identify any existing BPS electric equipment which violated the aforementioned, and were tasked to “develop recommendations to identify, isolate, monitor or replace this equipment as appropriate.”

Prior to the inauguration, on January 16, former Secretary of Energy Dan Brouillette issued a “prohibition order designed to reduce the risks that entities associated with the People’s Republic of China pose to the Nation’s BPS.”

The press release announcing the decision further read:

“The order prohibits utilities that supply critical defense facilities (CDF) from procuring from the People’s Republic of China, specific BPS electric equipment that poses an undue risk to the BPS, the security or resilience of critical infrastructure, the economy, national security, or safety and security of Americans.”


Now, with a stroke of a pen, Biden has put all of that at risk, putting the order’s fate in the hands of the Biden administration:

“The Secretary of Energy and the Director of OMB shall jointly consider whether to recommend that a replacement order be issued.”

The National Pulse reported that Biden’s choice for OBM chief, Neera Tanden formerly served as head of the far-left, Soros-funded Center for American Progress (CAP), where she earned over $700,000. In addition, the CAP has, according to the National Pulse co-authored reports alongside a Chinese Communist Party-backed influence operation.

As widely reported, Biden’s son Hunter, when he wasn’t doing lines of coke and engaging in other forms of debauchery was previously involved in business dealings with CEFC China Energy Chairman Ye Jianming.

The Pulse, citing a CNN report said:



“After his father left office in 2017, Hunter Biden worked on securing a deal with CEFC China Energy to invest in US energy projects, according to documents released by Republicans.”

In addition, an investment firm that was headed by Hunter Biden dumped millions into China General Nuclear Power Corp, a state-owned power company guilty of stealing American nuclear technology, which was used by the Chinese Communist Party for decades, the Pulse reported.

The above was reported by investigative journalist Peter Schweizer, who noted that China General through its agent Allen Ho had worked for twenty years to acquire the highly-guarded American nuclear technology, Real Clear Politics(RCP) reported.

Ho was arrested by the FBI for his role in the stealing of nuclear technology, however at the time he was arrested no connection had been drawn to either Hunter Biden or his father, who was actually engaged at the time as vice president with China over South China Sea and other issues, RCP said.

Many conservatives have been raising alarm bells for some time about the Biden’s apparent cozy relationship with the Red Chinese and by Biden suspending President Trump’s executive order over the power grid for ninety days, that only confirms suspicions that something may be amiss.
 

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Friday, 19 February 2021





From GodlikeProductions


Something is not sitting right with me with Texas and it’s not just the weather.


I mean it really bothers me these millions of Texas families are suffering.


I couldn’t sleep actually...


So I woke up this morning, made coffee and got to researching.


I started pulling Biden’s EO’s this morning and I found something buried in the Keystone Piepline EO..... way towards the end of the doc.


It turns out that the same day Biden shut down the Keystone Pipeline, he also lifted the security on our power grid for 90 days (Trump’s EO the year prior secured our power grid by giving China no access.)


Here below is the snippet buried in Biden’s Keystone pipeline EO.


“c) Executive Order 13920 of May 1, 2020 (Securing the United States Bulk-Power System), is hereby suspended for 90 days. The Secretary of Energy and the Director of OMB shall jointly consider whether to recommend that a replacement order be issued.”


Just a small little paragraph tucked away in one of Biden’s EO’s the first day he was in office under the umbrella of “restoring science to tackle the climate crisis”.


You can find it here:


[link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)]


So I researched our energy transformers that supply our power grid.


Turns out, we have had zero transformers in this country that were manufactured in China prior to 2009. From 2009 -2019, China has manufactured 200 of our transformers, supplying 60% of our power grid.


Trump’s EO states this snippet, interestingly enough.


May 1, 2020 order, President Trump stated that


the United States should no longer purchase transformers and other electric grid equipment manufactured in China. He signaled that it is important to end relationships that U.S. utilities have directly with Chinese businesses and multi-national companies manufacturing transformers in China, which are later plugged into the electric grid in the United States.



Chinese power equipment can be embedded with software and hardware that can be remotely accessed, enhancing China’s ability to commit cyberattacks. Because power transformers are huge and weigh between 100 and 400 tons, it is not easy to identify embedded software or hardware. There is also a potential hardware risk since counterfeit items can be easily put into large power transformers.”


You can read Trump’s EO here:


[link to www.federalregister.gov (secure)]


What prompted Trump’s EO was this prior report right here. The Department of Energy found in this report, that there were :


6 - US power transformer manufacturers


30- Chinese power transformer manufacturers.


You can read the report here:

[link to www.energy.gov (secure)]


Most recent projects were completed in


Houston

Las Vegas
 

Scott Downey

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Californication of electricity bills, tens of thousands of dollars some people are getting billed because the spot prices jumped to $9000 per kwh due to they ran out of Natural Gas.
Even if wind shuts down, you need reliable backup power, if your going to throw all your might into chasing after the wind, and ignore securing hydrocarbons for the bad times, then your going to have blackouts sometimes. they can store plenty of NGas, and they can pump as much as they need, but they chose not too because of GND thinking.

Texans Are Being Being Slapped with Electric Bills as Much as $17K
 

Scott Downey

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Why The Texas Blackout Has The Greens So Scared - Frontpagemag

In short, between Feb. 8 and Feb. 16 wind power plunged 93% while coal rose 47% and gas 450% according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). What all this demonstrates, says the Journal, is that an electricity grid that depends on unreliable wind and solar needs baseload power, especially coal and nuclear power. While natural gas is crucial it is not as reliable.

The mainstream media wanted to hear none of this. Chris Hayes, on his primetime MSNBC program, went into paroxysms of righteous indignation that anyone dare cast blame on wind turbines. He called it a “Big Lie” that “wind turbines, green energy, are the root causes of the problems in Texas right now….Republicans and right-wing media, they want to take every policy issue and turn it into some painful culture war idiocy.”
 
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