Textbook Misleading Many Seminary and Bible College Students

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Your berating of people on the issue here on this board does nothing to add to the conversations. I would also add that going into churches that have not been discipled on discipleship you cannot turn things around over night. So the lack of discipleship going on in churches does not give commentary on the pastor necessarily. Sometimes it is just the hard heartedness of the people.

Sometimes the best thing is to walk away and let that church die. Life is but a vapor.