Thank God for Fred Phelps

[StefanM]

I hope he is saved. I wish his mouth were shut.

 

[hillclimber1]

Homosexuality does not send you to hell all by itself, but refusing to obey God's commands does.

Rejecting Jesus Christ as savior is what sends one to hell.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[hillclimber1]

I'm going to assume you mean saved etenally by this statement, and if that is the case then that is a mistake. Eternal salvation is not based upon one's rebellion or surrender to Christ. That is only possible after eternal salvation is complete and then it becomes a choice of the saved individual to obey or rebel.

So true, just because one chooses to believe, (salvation) one can still yield to the old nature.

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

You left off verse 11 (by mistake I am sure)

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Your point of course is that we were all lost and deserving of hell as much as the vilest of homosexuals before we were justified in the name of Jesus, right?

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

Look, my problem with Phelps is not that he hates gays or anybody else. He has a right in America to hate if he wants to and I recognize his first amendment right to proclaim that hate. As long as his words don’t cross over into inciting action he has a right to say them.

My problem is that he claims to be a Baptist pastor when he is really a political activist. For years he sought political change through lawsuits. Only after he was disbarred did he decide to begin staging demonstrations. 90% of his so called church is related to him and they don’t meet for worship services because every Sunday they are out picketing other churches.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Rejecting Jesus Christ as savior is what sends one to hell.

Yes, I did not mean to imply otherwise. I was thinking of accepting the gift of God's grace as obedience to God.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

You left off verse 11 (by mistake I am sure)
Your point of course is that we were all lost and deserving of hell as much as the vilest of homosexuals before we were justified in the name of Jesus, right?

Actually I left it off on purpose. I'm not sure what your problem is but my point was that you cannot stay in sin such as these and expect salvation. Some folks have a distorted view of works based salvation.

 

[J. Jump]

Some folks have a distorted view of works based salvation.

All views of works based salvation are distorted including the backloaded works salvation that is pushed by a great number in Christendom today. You have to do this that and the other and you can't do x, y, z and if either of those two things happen or not you aren't saved.

That is errant works based salvation teaching. And its sad that it is being taught, but it seems the the more and more I listen to people the more and more popular it is becoming :BangHead:.

We need to get back to teaching what Scripture has to say on salvation not what man has to say.

 

[rbell]

But let us not emphasize the "gay sins" to the detriment of the other ones listed. The covetous are in the same boat as the homosexuals.

We can't chop up verses 9-10 to our liking.

 

[J. Jump]

We can't chop up verses 9-10 to our liking.

But if that happens then we might actually have to include ourselves in that list and we wouldn't want to do that

It amazes me that Christendom really only has two hot button issues and that is homosexuality and abortion. The 10 commandments might be on that list, but even that doesn't have as much steam as the other two I don't think.

 

[KenH]

Fred Phelps is a danger to civil conversation and debate in America.

 

[Eric B]

You know, if I were a betting woman, I would be tempt to bet that you just insulted me.

You guys surely are reading alot into my posts that isn't there.

The sins of Fred Phelps has not "driven" me to forget my own sin nor think myself "exempt" from sin, thank you very much. I'm not "presuming" to be standing with God against all of humanity and I am not a "Christ-rejecter".

Not YOU!
:BangHead:
I was talking about PHELPS. It's his hateful, unChristlike methods are what the discussion is about. He's the one who does not seem to acknowlege his own sinfulness and need for unmerited grace (as you even pointed out in other words), in placing himself on "God's side", claiming the sin of the rest of humanity makes God hate them. Why on earth did you think that was aimed at you? I didn't even quote from you, though I liked what you said. Maybe because of the statement about him being probably molested, you thought I was defending him, with "compassionate understanding", or something? But my point was, taking out your own inner sickness and pain is no valid reason to come out preaching like that in the name of Christ.

Let me just spit this out really clearly.

As a "preacher", Fred Phelp's either speaks on God's behalf, for truth and righteous, or he does not.

I believe he does not. What about you?

My point, he is obviously venting out his own frustrations. It is just as much a Christ-less message as the most watered down liberal sermon, only it emphasized sexual sin and judgment, so it "sounds" biblical to some.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Not YOU! :BangHead:

"Are you saying that I wasted a perfectly good temper-tantrum all for nothing?"

:laugh: Sorry, brother.

I was the person who mentioned about Phelps not being on "God's side" like he thought he was and then right after that J.Jump said that I shouldn't have said that.

Then you, in your post quoted that exact phrase "God's side" in your chastisement of whom I thought was me. I thought you were continuing J.Jump's train of thought.

My apologies.....now stop hitting your head! :flower:

 

[Diggin in da Word]

All views of works based salvation are distorted including the backloaded works salvation that is pushed by a great number in Christendom today. You have to do this that and the other and you can't do x, y, z and if either of those two things happen or not you aren't saved.

That is errant works based salvation teaching. And its sad that it is being taught, but it seems the the more and more I listen to people the more and more popular it is becoming :BangHead:.

We need to get back to teaching what Scripture has to say on salvation not what man has to say.

The Word of God says faith without works is dead, being alone.

I know you have a hard time understanding this Jump, but works WILL FOLLOW those who are saved.

If works do not follow, their profession of faith in Christ was dead, being alone. Their profession did not mean a hill of beans.

To teach that one does not have to produce works after a profession of faith is saying we do not have to be obedient to the Spirit. If God did not want us obedient, why is there a need to chastise His children?

And that, is teaching what the Scriptures have to say on Salvation. not what Jump has to say.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

The Word of God says faith without works is dead, being alone.

I know you have a hard time understanding this Jump, but works WILL FOLLOW those who are saved.

If works do not follow, their profession of faith in Christ was dead, being alone. Their profession did not mean a hill of beans.

To teach that one does not have to produce works after a profession of faith is saying we do not have to be obedient to the Spirit. If God did not want us obedient, why is there a need to chastise His children?

And that, is teaching what the Scriptures have to say on Salvation. not what Jump has to say.

He knows that but he needs it to maintain Chitwood's hereticle double salvation theory.

 

[Conservative Christian]

Is Fred Phelps An Agent Provocateur?

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]"Led by Fred Phelps, former civil-rights lawyer and several-time Democratic candidate for Kansas governor and for the US Senate, these people have hosted Al and Tipper Gore (Prince Al tried to deny any connection during his race for the Oval Office, despite attending a fundraiser at Phelps' home), and brag that they have picketed over 22,000 times in the past 12 years (that's about 1850 protests each year, or an average of more than 5 per day, every day)!

They are very skilled in the various practices of collectivist agitators, including attempting to provoke violent response from their opponents, thus to claim that they are the injured parties. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Claiming the tax breaks and legal protection given to religious groups, Phelps formed the "Westboro Baptist Church, Inc." in 1955. Clearly they are using religion as a cloak. The "church" is reported to be located in Phelps' home, they are not affiliated with any religious order, and most of the congregation are in the "pastor's" family (do the math -- there are about 60 regular attendees, and Phelps has 13 children and over 40 grandchildren, all living in his area). [/SIZE][/FONT]
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At first glance, they seem to be equal-opportunity bigots, calling both Bob Dole and Bill Clinton "fags" (Phelps' catch-all label), but when you look more closely, their activities are clearly aimed at raising sympathy for the homosexual lobby wherever they go -- or, more precisely, they work to discredit all religious groups, especially those who oppose homosexuality or abortion. "You can't preach the Bible without preaching hatred," he is quoted as saying. Of course, he's dead wrong, but when such a phrase appears on the Six O'Clock Follies, ALL Christians are tainted."[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Entire article at:[/SIZE][/FONT]

http://www.sierratimes.com/04/10/27/critic.htm

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[James_Newman]

The Word of God says faith without works is dead, being alone.

I know you have a hard time understanding this Jump, but works WILL FOLLOW those who are saved.

If works do not follow, their profession of faith in Christ was dead, being alone. Their profession did not mean a hill of beans.

To teach that one does not have to produce works after a profession of faith is saying we do not have to be obedient to the Spirit. If God did not want us obedient, why is there a need to chastise His children?

And that, is teaching what the Scriptures have to say on Salvation. not what Jump has to say.

Thats right. Can faith save you? No, you are justified by works just like James says. We can't separate faith from works because then we would have to recognize that James and Paul are not talking about the same thing. Even though the bible seems to separate faith and works, they are really the same thing, and that is the Christian's secret to a confused theology.

Thats sarcasm, btw.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Well, you had me for a second.

PHEW!!!!!!

 

[Eric B]

I was the person who mentioned about Phelps not being on "God's side" like he thought he was and then right after that J.Jump said that I shouldn't have said that.

Then you, in your post quoted that exact phrase "God's side" in your chastisement of whom I thought was me. I thought you were continuing J.Jump's train of thought.

My apologies..... :flower:

No, I was actually picking up on your point, and adding my own comment to it.

Interesting that the link posted above suggests that Phleps is a phony non Christian spoof of Christians, basically. That would make it the same thing the LandoverBaptist site is. The shameful thing is that you can't even tell whether they are real or not, when you have the likes of Ruckman, Watkins (AV1611.org), etc. (Or are those spoofs as well).

So Aaron; you need to watch out who you're rooting for!:laugh: