The 14 or 15 tribes of Israel

[Linda64]

It isn't easy, it will take more than a fortnight.

We can see why you say it isn't easy....because it is not there. If it's in the Word of God, it should be easy to prove...especially from someone as learned as you.

 

[TCGreek]

Bro. Ed,

SFIC and Linda really have you in the HOT SEAT. :laugh:

 

[Ed Edwards]

Bro. Ed,

SFIC and Linda really have you in the HOT SEAT. :laugh:

amen, Brothe TCGreek -- Preach it!

Of course, in this context:
HOT SEAT = How's Our Theology? -- Shoot Ed's Average Theology. :tonofbricks:

 

[Linda64]

amen, Brothe TCGreek -- Preach it!

Of course, in this context:
HOT SEAT = How's Our Theology? -- Shoot Ed's Average Theology. :tonofbricks:

Ed...

Since YOUR theology is NOWHERE close to Average, our question remains...what Scriptural proof do you have for your (Average?) theology? Sounds more like you are shooting Biblical doctrine....what we have been stating comes from the Bible and we have given Scriptural proof...and you continue to dodge the question.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Ed...
... .what we have been stating comes from the Bible and we have given Scriptural proof....

I must have missed it. What did you all say and what Scriptural proof did you all give? Try me again. I may have missed it??? Please on each Scriptural citation give not only the Book, Chapter, and verse but also the Bible (version and Edition) from which you got it. I am required by God to check you alls Scripture citation out /Acts 17:10-11/ ). Thank you.

I'll also check the previous posts in this topic minning for data.

 

[Rubato 1]

My biological Dad died at age 55.
My step Dad died at age 76.
My first Dad-in-law died at age 78 (the same year as my first wife, strangely)
My second Dad-in-law died at 90 some 4-years before I married my second wife.

Wow! But was your second dad-in-law really a dad-in-law if he was dead before he became a dad-in-law? Is this some kind of posthumous honor?

If we spend enough time, we can get the Bible to mean a lot of things it does not say.
When people ask me about dark details of the apocolypse, I reply 'What does the Bible say, again?'
They quote it.
Then I say, 'OK, that's what I believe'.
I always thought that the Jews would be saved like they were under John the Baptist (before the cross) after the rapture, ie, we relapse out of the church age for Daniel's 70th week. This 'dispensation' is where the newly saved Jews will come from.
All I know about Biblical prophecy is that it always makes sense after their fulfillment. :laugh:

 

[Ed Edwards]

Wow! But was your second dad-in-law really a dad-in-law if he was dead before he became a dad-in-law? Is this some kind of posthumous honor?

My wife thinks he is a dad-in-law. The law doesn't specify living/dead status

When people ask me about dark details of the apocolypse, I reply 'What does the Bible say, again?'
They quote it.
Then I say, 'OK, that's what I believe'.

Unfortunately, I've got ablut a dozen written essays on largly misunderstood scriptures. Some folks think it means one thing and some folks something else. All the major schisims of the 19 century (1801-1900) were based on variant readings of the King James Version (KJV), 1769 family of Editions (1762 edition, 1769 Edition, & American unauthroized rip-offs /each one labeled 'Authorized' )

I always thought that the Jews would be saved like they were under John the Baptist (before the cross) after the rapture, ie, we relapse out of the church age for Daniel's 70th week. This 'dispensation' is where the newly saved Jews will come from.

I don't see the dispensation differences that some see in my Bibles.
How Gentiles get saved: By confessing that Jesus is Lord while believing in their heart that G-d raised Him from the dead (Romans 10:9). How Jews get saved: By confessing that Jesus is G-d's Messiah which believing in their heart that G-d raised Him from the dead (Romans 10:9). Both get saved the same way - Individually by Jesus Christ.

All I know about Biblical prophecy is that it always makes sense after their fulfillment. :laugh:

I will write an essay about why Bible prophecy is in the Bible -- Scriptures of course - if anybody wants it. BTW, 'ability to predict the future' is NOT one of the reasons.

 

[Ed Edwards]

StandingforminChrist: //The 144,000 Jews will be sealed for a specific purpose on this earth during that period, but Scripture does not say they are saved prior to the Rapture but left to do a work.

No scripture was given to support your contention. <trick question>Which scripture doesn't say Jews are saved prior to the Rapture but will be left on earth to do a work? </trick question>

What we are really discussing is if Revelation 7 takes place on earth or in heaven. The Bible doesn't clearly say. You, Kind Sir, have no Scripture proof that

StandingforminChrist: //Ed, sounds like you are giving us extra-biblical teaching there.//

I don't think so -- maybe yours is the extra-biblical. Not to mention something most black/white-est don't see: we might both be right.

 

[Palatka51]

I will write an essay about why Bible prophecy is in the Bible -- Scriptures of course - if anybody wants it. BTW, 'ability to predict the future' is NOT one of the reasons.

Do you think that this liturgy will help the rest of us unEDucated?

 

[Ed Edwards]

StandingforminChrist: //The 144,000 Jews will be sealed for a specific purpose on this earth during that period, but Scripture does not say they are saved prior to the Rapture but left to do a work.

No scripture was given to support your contention. Which scripture doesn't say Jews are saved prior to the Rapture but will be left on earth to do a work?

What we are really discussing is if Revelation 7 takes place on earth or in heaven. The Bible doesn't clearly say. You, Kind Sir, have no Scripture proof that

StandingforminChrist: //Ed, sounds like you are giving us extra-biblical teaching there.//

I don't think so -- maybe yours is the extra-biblical. Not to mention something most black/white-est don't see: we might both be right.

 

[Linda64]

StandingforminChrist: //The 144,000 Jews will be sealed for a specific purpose on this earth during that period, but Scripture does not say they are saved prior to the Rapture but left to do a work.

No scripture was given to support your contention. <trick question>Which scripture doesn't say Jews are saved prior to the Rapture but will be left on earth to do a work? </trick question>

What we are really discussing is if Revelation 7 takes place on earth or in heaven. The Bible doesn't clearly say. You, Kind Sir, have no Scripture proof that

StandingforminChrist: //Ed, sounds like you are giving us extra-biblical teaching there.//

I don't think so -- maybe yours is the extra-biblical. Not to mention something most black/white-est don't see: we might both be right.

There is only ONE Truth, Ed. You have not given any Scripture to prove your doctrine of saved Jews (during this Church age) getting "sealed" in heaven and being sent back to earth for "service". I quoted Galatians 3:28 (which you quoted and refuted) in order to show that there is no differences (whether Jew or Gentile, male or female, etc.) when we are saved and IN CHRIST. I also quoted 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18--guess you must have missed that one too. The Church (the saved Jews and Gentiles) is ONE Body in Christ Jesus.

BTW, I don't need to tell you what version of the Bible I am quoting---it is ALWAYS the KJV. I only use one Bible.

Revelation 7 DOES take place on the earth...that is clear from verse 1 & 2:

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Last time I looked at pictures of the earth, the sea and trees were there too.

 

[Ed Edwards]

//BTW, I don't need to tell you what version of the Bible I am quoting---it is ALWAYS the KJV. I only use one Bible.//

I already knew that - I've read your writings else where. But still i beg, petition, request, beseach and pray that you will will tell the Version of the Bible and the Edition of the Bible you use ON EACH SCRIPTURE (if the verse isn't the next verse, then one has changed scriptues). However, if you don't know the Edition i suppose you can be exempted? I have some 22 KJVs in my house (including those of the other three people who live in my house). I have yet to find two of them EXACTLY alike. I'm still looking but slowely.

Revelation 7 DOES take place on the earth...that is clear from verse 1 & 2:

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

The angel 'ascending from the east (of the earth)' will be going to heaven. The four angels on the earth to ban the winds -- at least one we know went back to at least one of the heavens to mark the 144K Jews. I know the hurting of the earth and sea applies to earth (evidenlty from other scriptures - not this scripture - there is no sea nor dry land (AKA: 'earth') in the third heaven. Your statement "Revelation 7 DOES take place on the earth...that is clear from verse 1 & 2" is compeletly untrue, according to the scripture which is clear that the 'safety mark' on the the 144K Jews set aside (see Rev 14) for special service to the Lamb during the Tribulation period.

Surely one agrees that the Throne of God is in Heaven?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Ed,

Please post the exact verse that says these 144,000 are in heaven when they are sealed?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Do you think that this liturgy will help the rest of us unEDucated?

I think so. I've checked to see if last time I wrote it I saved a copy or that Google shows where I've written it on BB (Baptist Board) -- couldn't find it. I'll rewrite right here, right now.

Why does the Bible include Prophecy?

2 Peter 3:11 (Tyndale Bible, 1526 Edition):
Yf all these thinges shall perisshe what maner persons ought ye to be in holy conversacion and godlynes:

I.e. the world is going bye-bye some day (a prophecy) so you would be godly and have a holy conversation (live so as to be holy).

The reason the Bible tells God's plans for our future is so we will improve our serve of the Lord (enhanse our good deeds for God, live better, act better, pray harder, read our Bible more, encourage one another to reach higher, etc.)

2 Peter 3:14 (Tyndale Bible, 1526 Edition):
Wherfore derly beloved seynge yt ye loke for soche thynges be diliget that ye maye be founde of him in peace wt out spotte and vndefiled

I.e, because we look for such things as the new heaven and new earth, where righteousness dwells (another prophecy), we should now be found of Christ in peace and without spot and undefiled.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Resolve this 'conflict' in the Geneva Bible:

Gal 6:2-5 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
Beare ye one anothers burden, and so fulfill the Lawe of Christ.
Gal 6:3 For if any man seeme to himselfe, that he is somewhat, when he is nothing, hee deceiueth himselfe in his imagination.
Gal 6:4 But let euery man prooue his owne worke: and then shall he haue reioycing in himselfe onely and not in another.
Gal 6:5 For euery man shall beare his owne burden.

This: Beare ye one anothers burden
conflicts this: euery man shall beare his owne burden
Unless, of cource, you 'explain' it so it doesn't conflict.

Of course, I agree, I should indeed bear the burdens of others (such as these who don't know how to read the Bible for themselves so lean on commentaries that are wrong and uneducated preachers instead of the Bible itself) and let others bear my burdens. And indeed I should bear my own burdens.
Amen, Brother Paul -- tell it like it is! Amen! etc.



What is the 'mystery of the faith' (Scripture only, please, well, feel free to add theories to explain it, if you-all wish)?