The 14th Nisan (A Preparation Day; before the Sabbath High Day) was not before a double Sabbath.

[Silverhair]

Trying to figure out what day of the week Christ was crucified on is to me a way to give one a serious headache.

I came across this just today so thought I would give you all something to chew on.
This was for 31 AD

 

[JonC]

You disagree?

This gets difficukt with night-days, two evenings, between the evenings...

Let's just go with Mark assuming a Wed. Passover morning (which I don't hold) and use our days for clarity.

Tuesday afternoon, around 2 to 3 pm (if 14 Nisan is not on a Friday) the Passover would be killed at the Temple. Families woukd slaughter a lamb, sheep or goat sometime in this afternoon as well, and hold for their meal at sunset.

So around 2pm Jesus sent 2 followers ahead. This was on the first day of unleavened bread (not the Feast of Unleavened Bread).

Jesus arrived with the Twelve when even came (around sunset) and ate with the Disciples in the upper room.

Jesus went to the Garden and His arrest occurred.

On Wednesday morning (probably while still dark) Jesus was presented to the Roman governor. Around 9am on Wendsday Jesus was presented to the Jewish leaders.

The Crucifixion, then, occurred on Wendsday (for timeline sake...using a Western counting of 3 days & nights). He woukd have been laid in the tomb before sunset on Wendsday because Thursday woukd be a day set as a holy convocation (15 Nisan).


Again, this is for time line clarity. I believe Friday the correct day because I think the Bible was using a Jewish day. But it seems that you have somehow gained a day in your timeline (not sure where . . . maybe with counting that the killing, sacrifice, ceremony, travel, killing of the lambs-goats for the family meal, and the actual meal all hapened at the same moment?).

 

[37818]

AND those passages confirm that tge crucifixion could not have occurred on 15 Nisan (because the 15th and 21st were days of holy convocation....

The fact being Christ was crucified on the 15th of Nisan. The 14th was before He was crucified based on Mark 14:12-17. His body was taken down from the cross Thursday evening per Mark 15:42-43.

 

[37818]

This gets difficukt with night-days, two evenings, between the evenings...

The truth is simple.

Day names are from midnight to midnight.

Jewish day dates are from sundown to sundown. A sundown is the beginning of each day date.

Mark 14:17.
Mark 15:42.

 

[37818]

Your logic is faulty. You appeal to Numbers for the Passover yet you completely ignore what the passage states about 15 Nisan.

Wrong. Your difficulty is confusing the two sets of 7 days. Which overlap for a total of 8 days per Exodus 12:18.

 

[37818]

Mark 14:12-16 that you have put into thread titles a few times
and in dozens of posts, over and over and over again, was on the 14th
after 6:00 pm.

You are confused.
Jewish day begins with it's sunset.

So a day which begins with a Tuesday sunset becomes Wednesday day.

A Wednesday sunset becomes a Thursday day.

A Thursday sunset becomes a Friday day.

A 7th day Sabbath begins with a Friday sunset becomes a Saturday day.

 

[JonC]

Wrong. Your difficulty is confusing the two sets of 7 days. Which overlap for a total of 8 days per Exodus 12:18.

Brother, I have gotten tired of this conversation. You posed your idea and asked for a challenge. It was given.

Bottom line is the reason that no biblical scholar suggests that Christ was crucified on 15 Nisan is the idea contradicts Scripture. Christians argue day and year, but we know that Christ was laid in the Tomb prior to Nisan 15 because of God's Word.

That said, we do not know how the actual years fell because the Jewish Calendar used observation. The New Year could have been a day or two late depending on conditions.

The 1st Century Jews did not use your calendar program to check the date, and your calendar program is based on lunar cycles without observation of those cycles and without data of conditions affecting observation.

So we are arguing about something that can't be q00% known.

The thing we can know about the date of the crucifixion is that it occurred before 15 Nisan because God's Word is true.

 

[JonC]

Trying to figure out what day of the week Christ was crucified on is to me a way to give one a serious headache.

I came across this just today so thought I would give you all something to chew on.
This was for 31 AD

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That's the question.

By Western counting the chart is 3 days and 3 nights. By Jewish counting it is 5 days and 5 nights.

Which do we use?

One example is the fast spoken of in Ester which lasted 3 days and 3 nights....but was 2 days by our counting.


Did Jesus use a Jewish idea of day and night or another idea? Maybe a Roman counting (I don't know how Romans counted days)?

 

[37818]

That said, we do not know how the actual years fell because the Jewish Calendar used observation. The New Year could have been a day or two late depending on conditions.

The Scripture gives explicit information. From what it says, a day of the week can be known and a Jewish calendar date which can be correlated to a calculated Jewish calendar.

Fact. The Jewish Preparation Day before the Zth day Sabbath begins a Thursday at sunset. And knowing that it can be deduced Christ was crucified on a Thursday. Also from Sunday being the third day since the crucifixion, Thursday can also be deduced as well.
And based on John 12:2, not being a Sabbath day, the 14th cannot be a Friday.

 

[37818]

Trying to figure out what day of the week Christ was crucified on is to me a way to give one a serious headache.

I came across this just today so thought I would give you all something to chew on.
This was for 31 AD

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Luke 24:21 disallows a Wednesday crucifixion.
As our Sunday was being referred to as the third day!

 

[37818]

The thing we can know about the date of the crucifixion is that it occurred before 15 Nisan because God's Word is true.

How? Mark 14:12-16 being identified as the 14th of Nisan and it being the day before the crucifixion!

 

[37818]

Let's just go with Mark assuming a Wed. Passover morning (which I don't hold) and use our days for clarity.

Tuesday afternoon, around 2 to 3 pm (if 14 Nisan is not on a Friday) the Passover would be killed at the Temple.

No. A Wednesday 14th Passover would not even begin until Tuesday sunset. The Wednesday afternoon 2 to 3 pm the Passover would be killed.

 

[Silverhair]

Luke 24:21 disallows a Wednesday crucifixion.
As our Sunday was being referred to as the third day!

As I said, trying to figure out the day will just give one a headache. But the reality is that we know He was crucified, buried and raised from the grave for our salvation.

Way to much ink has been spilled in disputes over the timing.

I just focus on the fact that it happened and rejoice in that.

 

[37818]

Some key Biblical data.
Exodus 12:18.
Leviticus 23:5-8.
Numbers 28:16-25.
Deuteronomy 16:8.
Mark 14:12-16.
Mark 14:17.
Mark 15:42-43.
Luke 24:20-21.
John 12:1-2.
John 12:12.

What can we agree on?

How and where do we think we disagree?

A Jewish calendar date begins with it's sunset.

A calendar tool: Calendar Converter

 

[JonC]

No. A Wednesday 14th Passover would not even begin until Tuesday sunset. The Wednesday afternoon 2 to 3 pm the Passover would be killed.

But we know that os not how it was done in the 1st century.

The actual pasdover meal was eaten at sundown starting the 14th (what we would call the night of the 13th).

It is obvious to most that the lamb woukd have to be killed BEFORE they ate it.

And we know that in the 1st Century Jewish Law prescribed a time to kill the Passover in the afternoon before the morning of 14 Nisan.


But as long as you are not a history teacher or witnessing to traditional Jews then it probably doesn't matter.

 

[JonC]

Trying to figure out what day of the week Christ was crucified on is to me a way to give one a serious headache.

I came across this just today so thought I would give you all something to chew on.
This was for 31 AD

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Oh....another interesting (mildly interesting) question is whether Jesus didn't 3 days and nights in the tomb or if He arose on the 3rd day according to Scripture (looking at the chart).

I'm with you that dating isn't important. We really can't know because the Jewish Calendar (start of the new year) was based on observation rather than a program).

My only issue here is what we do know insofar as recognizing the significance of days (like the crucifixion was before Nisan 15).

 

[37818]

As I said, trying to figure out the day will just give one a headache. But the reality is that we know He was crucified, buried and raised from the grave for our salvation.

If there is no actual date that can be identified, it allows it to be called to question.

If no crucifixion then there can be no resurrection.

But I know there is an identifiable day and date.

 

[Silverhair]

If there is no actual date that can be identified, it allows it to be called to question.

If no crucifixion then there can be no resurrection.

But I know there is an identifiable day and date.

In all my time of speaking to people about trusting in Christ I have yet to have one ask me on which day He was crucified.

Me thinks you missed my point. We know it occurred but to attempt to figure out exact day {wed, thur, fri} is to me irrelevant.

I focus on the important things His death, burial and resurrection.

 

[JonC]

If there is no actual date that can be identified, it allows it to be called to question.

If no crucifixion then there can be no resurrection.

But I know there is an identifiable day and date.

I disagree.

I do not know the exact date God created Adam. This does not mean I question the Creation of Adam.

We do not know ow the exact date of Christ's birth and without His birth there woukd be no resurrection.

There are many readons it is impossible to know the exact date.

1. The Jews did not follow an exact lunar calendar (it was based on a luner system but by observation).

2. The 1st Century Jews did not use the Hebrew method (they moved from the Biblical calendar to one of "observation and reckoning").

3. The Sanhedrin kept and adjusted the calendar (to accommodate issues like Rosh Hashanah never falling on the 7th day).

So we form opinions.

But there are things we can know, like Rosh Hashanah is never on a Sabbath.

1. Jesus was not crucified on a Sabbath.
2. Jesus was not crucified on Nisan 15
3. Jesus was not crucified on Nisan 21

Why do we know this?

Because of God's Word. Our calculations may be wrong, our counting of days may be wrong, our dates may be wrong. BUT Scripture is correct.

 

[37818]

Way to much ink has been spilled in disputes over the timing.

I just focus on the fact that it happened and rejoice in that.

Fact versus fiction. Fiction we would have no reality.