The Abomination Of Desolation

[robycop3]

You haven't explained how you get around the book of time indicators that I could write. "Soon" means "soon" - unless Jesus said it? "This generation" means "this generation" - unless it means "that generation"? "Near" means "near", unless you just don't want it to. How convenient for you. The only way you can fit these events to a future fulfillment is to change what Scriptures actually say. But wait - what do you do with Rev 22:18-19? Doesn't this also prohibit changing Scripture?

Same ole song-n-dance I've heard for some 30 years of dealing with prets. They all follow the same pattern: "Those events can't be found in history, so I'll reduce the Scriptures prophesying them to "figurative/symbolic" status, and shoehorn some things that happened 66-70 AD as their fulfillment" That way, I can justify my belief in preterism!"

Those events simply HAVEN'T YET OCCURRED, & no amount of word play, invention, or guesswork can fulfill the prophecies. Only the ACTUAL OCCURRENCE of the events can fulfill them!

We know what the AOD will be according to Daniel. While a type of it occurred in the 160s BC, it has NOT occurred again since Jesus said it'd be seen. That, and the Nero thingie, among other facts, should convince you that preterism simply isn't true. And, long as you continue to say it is, you're professing to believing the words of Gentry, DeMar, etc. over those of JESUS.

 

[Lodic]

Same ole song-n-dance I've heard for some 30 years of dealing with prets. They all follow the same pattern: "Those events can't be found in history, so I'll reduce the Scriptures prophesying them to "figurative/symbolic" status, and shoehorn some things that happened 66-70 AD as their fulfillment" That way, I can justify my belief in preterism!"

Those events simply HAVEN'T YET OCCURRED, & no amount of word play, invention, or guesswork can fulfill the prophecies. Only the ACTUAL OCCURRENCE of the events can fulfill them!

We know what the AOD will be according to Daniel. While a type of it occurred in the 160s BC, it has NOT occurred again since Jesus said it'd be seen. That, and the Nero thingie, among other facts, should convince you that preterism simply isn't true. And, long as you continue to say it is, you're professing to believing the words of Gentry, DeMar, etc. over those of JESUS.

Know what you mean - I think we've danced to this tune before. You can't answer why you have to change the plain language of what Jesus and the NT authors actually said, so you deflect to say "it hasn't happened", as if that settles the issue. No amount of your word play or guesswork will change what Scripture says. You are the one trying to "shoehorn" your views by changing the meaning of "time indicator" words and phrases. Since Jesus said those events would happen SOON, and He was not a liar nor was He mistaken, the only logical conclusion is that those events must have happened within the generation of His immediate audience. You aren't arguing with me, but with Jesus. Take it up with Him if you don't agree with what He told His disciples.

 

[robycop3]

Know what you mean - I think we've danced to this tune before. You can't answer why you have to change the plain language of what Jesus and the NT authors actually said, so you deflect to say "it hasn't happened", as if that settles the issue. No amount of your word play or guesswork will change what Scripture says. You are the one trying to "shoehorn" your views by changing the meaning of "time indicator" words and phrases. Since Jesus said those events would happen SOON, and He was not a liar nor was He mistaken, the only logical conclusion is that those events must have happened within the generation of His immediate audience. You aren't arguing with me, but with Jesus. Take it up with Him if you don't agree with what He told His disciples.

Evidently, "this generation" means the one that'll see all those events, which haven't happened yet. I'm backed by the undeniable fact that those events haven't yet happened.

 

[Lodic]

Evidently, "this generation" means the one that'll see all those events, which haven't happened yet. I'm backed by the undeniable fact that those events haven't yet happened.

If that were true, Jesus would have said "the generation that sees those events". Since He said "this generation", He must have meant the generation that He was addressing. I am backed up by the undeniable words of Jesus and the NT writers, who provide a lot of evidence that those events were to happen within a generation of when Jesus spoke to the disciples. This leaves only two options: 1) Despite the fact that Jesus usually made His message very clear, He must not have had His coffee that morning, so it didn't come out right; or 2) Those events must have happened, but you don't recognize it.

 

[robycop3]

If that were true, Jesus would have said "the generation that sees those events". Since He said "this generation", He must have meant the generation that He was addressing. I am backed up by the undeniable words of Jesus and the NT writers, who provide a lot of evidence that those events were to happen within a generation of when Jesus spoke to the disciples. This leaves only two options: 1) Despite the fact that Jesus usually made His message very clear, He must not have had His coffee that morning, so it didn't come out right; or 2) Those events must have happened, but you don't recognize it.

Hard to not recognize a meteor falling into the Mediterranean, causing great destruction.
Hard to miss someone ruling almost the entire world.
Hard to not recognize a new temple in jerusalem.
Hard to not recognize a man entering that temple & declaring himself God.
Hard to not recognize a rain of rocks.
HARD TO NOT RECOGNIZE JESUS RETURNING IN GREAT POWER & GLORY, SEEN BY ALL !
Hard to believe that some people believe those things have already occurred!

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Lodic]

Hard to not recognize a meteor falling into the Mediterranean, causing great destruction.
Hard to miss someone ruling almost the entire world.
Hard to not recognize a new temple in jerusalem.
Hard to not recognize a man entering that temple & declaring himself God.
Hard to not recognize a rain of rocks.
HARD TO NOT RECOGNIZE JESUS RETURNING IN GREAT POWER & GLORY, SEEN BY ALL !
Hard to believe that some people believe those things have already occurred!

Hard to miss crystal clear language that the end (of the Old Covenant age) was to come within the lifetime of the original audience. Hard to miss the symbolic language in Scripture. Quite easy to see the past fulfillment of prophecy with a proper method of interpretation.

 

[robycop3]

Hard to miss crystal clear language that the end (of the Old Covenant age) was to come within the lifetime of the original audience. Hard to miss the symbolic language in Scripture. Quite easy to see the past fulfillment of prophecy with a proper method of interpretation.

No one except Jews argues against the end of the Old Covenant.

But otherwise, you're using the same ole pret song-n-dance:
"I can't find any literal fulfillment in history, so it must be symbolic, because preterism is always right."
Know what "BAH ! HUMBUG !" means?

This thread began as being about the AOD. We know from Daniel & from history what the AOD Jesus warned us about will be, and it simply hasn't yet happened, as there's been no temple in J for it to have happened in. Prets try to tell us it was everything from the ensigns carried by the Roman soldiers (something carried by almost all military units until radio became commonplace) to the shekels minted in Judea, and it was committed by everyone from Titus to some unknown soldier to some Zealot leader. And you tried to tell us it was a Roman officer sent by Nero, in Nero's place! ALL THAT PRET STUFF IS FANTASY! Simple TRUTH is, the beast hasn't yet come, & the AOD hasn't yet been committed.

Sorry, Sir; you're still taking the word of the pret popinjays over that of JESUS.

"Preterism-Phony as a Chevy Mustang!"

 

[Lodic]

No one except Jews argues against the end of the Old Covenant.

But otherwise, you're using the same ole pret song-n-dance:
"I can't find any literal fulfillment in history, so it must be symbolic, because preterism is always right."
Know what "BAH ! HUMBUG !" means?

This thread began as being about the AOD. We know from Daniel & from history what the AOD Jesus warned us about will be, and it simply hasn't yet happened, as there's been no temple in J for it to have happened in. Prets try to tell us it was everything from the ensigns carried by the Roman soldiers (something carried by almost all military units until radio became commonplace) to the shekels minted in Judea, and it was committed by everyone from Titus to some unknown soldier to some Zealot leader. And you tried to tell us it was a Roman officer sent by Nero, in Nero's place! ALL THAT PRET STUFF IS FANTASY! Simple TRUTH is, the beast hasn't yet come, & the AOD hasn't yet been committed.

Sorry, Sir; you're still taking the word of the pret popinjays over that of JESUS.

"Preterism-Phony as a Chevy Mustang!"

To get back to your original topic, the prophecy of Daniel 9:26 was fulfilled when Titus destroyed the city and the sanctuary. The very next verse speaks of "one who makes desolate". Clearly, this is what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15 and Luke 21:20. Once again, I've proved that the AOD that Jesus warned His immediate audience about came to pass in AD 70. Jesus said they would see those things come to pass, and they did. If I were you, I would stop arguing against what Scripture clearly teaches.

 

[Salty]

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