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The Absolute Sovereignty of God

KenH

KenH

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Eternally Grateful said:
Now if he forced them against their own will to rebel.. well then God has no right to take vengence.
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The apostle Paul sternly refuted your position long ago:

Romans 3:5-8 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?
Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,)
Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
 
KenH

KenH

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Eternally Grateful said:
Romans 9 answers the question did God make a mistake choosing Israel. Not about his sovereignty
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Romans chapter most certainly does address the absolute sovereignty of God.
Eternally Grateful said:
You take joy in an unloving, evil dictator of A God.
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The prophet Isaiah wrote about folks like who make a statement like that.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 
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Eternally Grateful

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KenH said:
Christ Jesus paid the penalty for God's elect. They are not under the penalty of sin. Christ paid the their sin debt - virtually before the world began, and literally at the cross.
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then they do not need saved, they were born saved.
KenH said:
Revelation 13:8 The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 10:10-14 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
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Yes. the were predestined to be conformed to his image.

But they were born dead.. and up until the point they are justified. they are dead in sin.

I guess you forgot Paul said they were dead in trespasses and sins, then made alive
KenH said:
God gave His elect to His Son before the world began to be their Surety and to meet ALL of the conditions for their salvation.
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Yes, He gave all who would meet his will to christ..
 
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Eternally Grateful

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KenH said:
No, He didn't.
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whatever..
KenH said:
The apostle Paul sternly refuted your position long ago:

Romans 3:5-8 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?
Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,)
Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
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already answered and refuted. this does not prove me wrong my friend.. you will need to find another path
 
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Eternally Grateful

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KenH said:
I claim no such thing.
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Then you had free will
KenH said:
Psalm 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power,
In the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning:
Thou hast the dew of thy youth.
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1. This is talking about Israel. Not you
2. they will be willing.. Because they love God remember, God saved them (or in the case of Israel. will save them, God does not make mistakes (rom 9 - 11
 
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Eternally Grateful

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KenH said:
Romans chapter most certainly does address the absolute sovereignty of God.
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Most certainly does not.

It adresses Israel and all the questions rome and everyone had concerning Gods chosing of this nation who rejected him.
KenH said:
The prophet Isaiah wrote about folks like who make a statement like that.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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lol. I call evil evil my friend.

If God forced a man to do evil. God is evil.
 
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Eternally Grateful

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KenH said:
His people whom He chose before the world began. The Holy Spirit regenerates them and then they are willing to exercise the gifts that the Holy Spirit gives them - faith in the finished work of Christ Jesus and repentance of dead works.
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1. God does not regenerate anyone until they are justified

2. God changes all his people. once they recieve him in faith.

3. God does not regenerate people still under the penalty of sin
 
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Eternally Grateful

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KenH said:
No, I am sticking to God's World, regardless of what you write.
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well the word you wrote does not in any way refute anything I have said.

fatalism is not found in scripture.

Not even Israel were cast ourt because of Gods decree. Jesus wanted to gather them as a mother hen, but they were not willing.

God does not force people against their will
 
KenH

KenH

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Eternally Grateful said:
I guess you forgot Paul said they were dead in trespasses and sins, then made alive
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God's elect are born spiritually dead, because of the fall of Adam, just like those whom God reprobated before the world began.

However, at some point during their time on earth, they will be brought under the hearing of the gospel of Christ and the Holy Spirit will regenerate them and grant them the gift of faith in Christ Jesus and the gift of repentance of dead works. With Christ as their Surety, it is impossible for God's elect to be lost.
 
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Silverhair said:
I will admit that I do get enjoyment from reading the joke posts that you and BF write.

You cannot be serious when you post such anti-biblical comments.

It is either that or you have both been deluded by fine sounding words of false teachers.
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sadly. I could not continue with BF. he goes to every chatroom spreading the same hate. I had to put him in prayer
 
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