The Absurdity and Deception of the Warnings in Calvinism

I suppose those Calvinists who tell every sinner that God loves them and has a wonderful plan for their lives (How do you like that cliche?), then they are inconsistent. But those of us who believe in the doctrines of grace and do not believe in "the well-meant offer" are just being consistent with our beliefs.

 

My my, the arminians on this board remind me of rabid animals...! They even fight among themselves!

 

And the Calvinists on this board are like the three blind mice! The blind leading the blind.

 

Better to be a blind mouse than a dead one.

 

Hi Whetstone;
Who is Arminian. I'm simply Anti-Calvinist.

May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;

Mike

 

Hi PB;

Calvinism hasn't been consistent since Calvin came along. Arminianism Came out of Calvinism. And you can't get good fruit from a rotten tree.
I follow Christ instead of some old dead men.
May Christ Shinew His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

Hey Mike.

The term 'Arminian' is generally used today as a reference to anyone that is 'anti-Calvinist.' While you follow Arminius no more than we follow Calvin, it's a term used out of convenience.

Dan

 

Whetstone;
Arminian, is then a prejudice, religious slur. Name calling isn't allowed. Didn't you read the rules. You don't mind being called a Calvinist that's fine we can do that if you wish. But I'm not an Arminian. Arminians came out of Calvinism and you can't get good fruit from a rotten tree.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

Semantics Mike. It's only a slur if you feel there is some negative connotation to being associated with 'free-will' doctrine.

Hmm.. Guess that would insult me too. Good thing I'm not an Arminian I guess.

 

Hi Whetstone;

Since Arminians believe in total depravity there can be no free will within it's teachings. If you knew what Arminians believed you wouldn't suggest that all that believe in freewill is an Arminian. It is not exculsive to Arminians.

No it isn't semantics. The free will doctrine didn't come out of Arminianism. It existed before Christ. I'm not a reformer of the Catholic Faith either nor a protestant of Catholicism. My faith didn't come from such Heresey.
This is the same mistake most Calvinist make that all christianity came out of the RCC. That is a catholic Lie. The Catholic Church didn't exist until 325 A.D. And true Christian churches existed long before the Catholics.
take the name of Arminian and hang it on some one who believes in total depravity. I don't!

I do take it as an insult. I'm a bornagain Christian, Who follows no one but Christ. An Armionian follows Arminianus
May Christ Shine His Light On us all;
Mike

 

"Since Armenians believe in total depravity there can be no free will within it's teachings."

If this isn't the sign of complete ignorance, I don't know what is... Where do you think T came from in Tulip? Dah? It was the response of the remonstrants (Armenians) that said man WASN'T totally depraved!! ILL give it up we already know you don't know squat about Church history...

Still waiting for those condemnations by the way... lier...

"The free will doctrine didn't come out of Arminianism. It existed before Christ. "

Yeah, your right on this ILL .... it's called Greek philosophic humanism.

ALL the councils condemned non TOTAL DEPRAVITY ILL. Church history has NEVER accepted this heresy as FREE WILL and never will.

 

rc;
just for you;

The 5 points of Arminianism

1. God from eternity past determined to save all who believe in Jesus and to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath..."

2.Christ died for and obtained redemption and forgiveness for all,but these benefits are effective only for those who believe on Christ.

3.Man cannot "think". will or do anything that is truly good,and that includes "saving faith" But must be regenerated

4.That God's grace is absolutely essential for Salvation,but that it may be resisted.

5.That those truly saved through faith in Christ are empowered by the Holy Spirit to resist sin; But weather they could fall away from the faith "must be more particularly determined by the Holy Scripture,before we our selves can teach it with full persuasion of our minds."

I believe #3 describes Total depravity
But you knew that HUH!!!!!!
May Christ Shine His light On Us All;
Mike

 

You take things (like usual) out of context AND you ADD to the text (as usual) and you omit(as usual) from the text.

When are you going to learn that you can not do this?

Article 3

That man has not saving grace of himself, nor of the energy of his free will, inasmuch as he, in the state of apostasy and sin, can of an by himself neither think, will, nor do any thing that is truly good (such as saving Faith eminently is); but that it is needful that he be born again of God in Christ, through his Holy Spirit, and renewed in understanding, inclination, or will, and all his powers, in order that he may rightly understand, think, will, and effect what is truly good, according to the Word of Christ, John 15:5, “Without me ye can do nothing.”

Article 4

That this grace of God is the beginning, continuance, and accomplishment of all good, even to this extent, that the regenerate man himself, without PREVENIENT or assisting, awakening, following and COOPERATIVE grace, can nei­ther think, will, nor do good, nor withstand any temptations to evil; so that all good deeds or movements, that can be conceived, must be ascribed to the grace of God in Christ. but respects the mode of the operation of this grace, it is not irresistible; inas­much as it is written con­cerning many, that they have resisted the Holy Ghost. Acts 7, and else­where in many places.

ARTICLE 3 is modified by ARTICLE 4!

This is what made the Remonstronts heretical !!

For those who don't understand what is being said, I'll simplify this for you...

Article 3 ... man can't do anything without grace (making this to SEEM like total depravity)

BUT.... and that's a BIG but...

ARTICLE four puts in the definitions
Prevenient and ASSISTING, COOPERATIVE ...

What you don't understand ILL is that in a nutshell Man is totally deprived BUT God gave us all grace (prevenient) so we in our natural state can CHOOSE good things (assisting) BEFORE salvation.

In other words, it's theological double speak. All this is fancy talk for saying "we believe in the total depravity of man... but we don't" God gives prevenient grace to ALL and assists us ALL so we can see the Gospel from our natural state. Which by definition means man isn't totally depraved (dead) just sick and needs help....

Where the TRUE understanding of total depravity is man doesn't need help, but he is TOTALLY depraved, DEAD. God does it ALL. God doesn't help.

This describes TO A "T" what you believe ILL !!
God gives prevenient grace to all (via the cross) so man is free to choose,
by understanding to believe or resist the Holy Spirit.

So ILL,
Wrong again because you don't understand the definitions of what you read and you don't understand the historical context of the arguments that shaped those definitions.

Speaking of historical context....

Which council ILL ?

 

rc;
You take things (like usual) out of context AND you ADD to the text (as usual) and you omit(as usual) from the text.

When are you going to learn that you can not do this?
Thats right you do don't you You always accuse of what you your self are most guilty of.
When you going to tell the truth that Calvinism came out of Catholicism
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

Augustianism has always been accepted because it came from saints before him that were taught from the disciples themselves. Long before Papal authority. (Roman Catholicism) Unlike what you believe, that has been condemned as heresy ALL THROUGHOUT THE CHURCH'S HISTORY !!

Now liar... which council has condemned Calvinism as heresy? You still haven't answered this.. you keep on bringing up your contrived question which I answered 4 times (5 including this post)of Calvinism out of Catholicism (untrue)...

So ... which one heretic? See... I can call you heretic because I have church history behind me... condemning your belief as heresy... know I want your PROOF which you accused Calvinism as being heresy by church councils..... which one?...