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the age of the earth

OldRegular

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I've always tried to look at the creation story like this:

From an old earth perspective, if God had instructed Moses to write of the creation including information like DNA, cellular division, organic adaptation, etc, then the people he was writing to would have likely discarded the text as gibberish. It would mean nothing to them. The Day-Age ideology about creation doesn't bother me.

From a young earth perspective, the Bible seems to indicate literal 24-hour cycles. The young earth ideology doesn't bother me.

I'll say this about both: God's word describes creation in the first two chapters of the Bible, but then spends the remainder of the text detailing how we should act toward one another, and about where we are headed as humanity. It stands to reason, then, that our destination is far more important to us than our origin.

Apparently Moses, during his years as an Egyptian prince, did not learn much from the Egyptians or the Aliens coming down and building all them pyramids!

Exodus 29:9-11
9. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
 

OldRegular

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quantumfaith

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A good reason not to assign time to His creative activity other than that revealed in Scripture!

Are you saying that scientific investigation and hence progress is an unworthy pursuit......or rather just the science that you do not like, agree with or find problematic? (BTW I think I know your answer...)
 

OldRegular

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Are you saying that scientific investigation and hence progress is an unworthy pursuit......or rather just the science that you do not like, agree with or find problematic? (BTW I think I know your answer...)

Scientific investigation is wonderful. However, engineering is better. Without engineers the scientists would have no tools to work with. Who made the first wheel and the first lever? And it wasn't the cave man either though some scientist might say he has indelible proof!
 
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quantumfaith

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Scientific investigation is wonderful. However, engineering is better. Without engineers the scientists would have no tools to work with. Who made the first wheel and the first lever? And it wasn't the cave man either though some scientist might say he has indelible proof!

I appreciate your humor. There is no evidence that Neanderthal or even Cro-Magnon had any thoughts of the wheel but they were both tool makers. Cro-Magnon quite a bit more sophisticated.

Without mathematicians, neither the scientists nor the engineers would have the tools to ply their trade. :)
 

Revmitchell

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What difference does it make? Earth is here. We are here. "Before the beginning of space and time, God created." Genesis 1:1.

As the Germans say, "Jetzt geht mir ein Licht auf!"

:wavey:

It makes a difference. It effects the gospel, it effects what other scripture says. It makes a big difference.
 

Marooncat79

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I appreciate your humor. There is no evidence that Neanderthal or even Cro-Magnon had any thoughts of the wheel but they were both tool makers. Cro-Magnon quite a bit more sophisticated.

Without mathematicians, neither the scientists nor the engineers would have the tools to ply their trade. :)

You have really allowed evolution to define your world view and are seriously misled. Have you ever read anything Christian about Neanderthals or Cro-Magnons? And if so, what? I mean like Anything from the ICR or Answers in Genesis?

Thanks in advance

Romans 5:1

Also, at the risk of becoming divisive, I find it interesting that the Mods are willing to accept your view, given what I know about fundamentalism (I am not one), but to not allow civil discussions about human sexuality and its abuses. Sorry, but I just do not understand why human sexuality is not discussed on a supposed Christian website-but I am ok with it. I would think that it would be very Christian to discuss human sexuality in a biblical context here

Grace again
 
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OldRegular

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I appreciate your humor. There is no evidence that Neanderthal or even Cro-Magnon had any thoughts of the wheel but they were both tool makers. Cro-Magnon quite a bit more sophisticated.

Without mathematicians, neither the scientists nor the engineers would have the tools to ply their trade. :)

Keep patting yourself on your back and see what happens.

As for Neanderthal or even Cro-Magnon they exist only in the imagination of someone who likes to dig in the dirt!
 

OldRegular

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You have really allowed evolution to define your world view and are seriously misled. Have you ever read anything Christian about Neanderthals or Cro-Magnons? And if so, what? I mean like Anything from the ICR or Answers in Genesis?

Thanks in advance

Romans 5:1

Also, at the risk of becoming divisive, I find it interesting that the Mods are willing to accept your view, given what I know about fundamentalism (I am not one), but to not allow civil discussions about human sexuality and its abuses. Sorry, but I just do not understand why human sexuality is not discussed on a supposed Christian website-but I am ok with it. I would think that it would be very Christian to discuss human sexuality in a biblical context here

Grace again

I disagree strongly with quantumfaith on the issue of the age, not only the earth, but the age of the universe and his views on evolution. I believe the Bible teaches not only a young earth but a young universe. That being said as far as I can tell the Bible nowhere condemns those who hold the views of QF. I believe it gives instruction but not condemnation.

However, the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, strongly condemns deviant sexual behavior including fornication and adultery so there is really no room for discussion. Similarly the Bible condemns atheism and there is no reason to have an atheist posting on this Baptist Board. Is there?
 

Marooncat79

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I disagree strongly with quantumfaith on the issue of the age, not only the earth, but the age of the universe and his views on evolution. I believe the Bible teaches not only a young earth but a young universe. That being said as far as I can tell the Bible nowhere condemns those who hold the views of QF. I believe it gives instruction but not condemnation.

However, the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, strongly condemns deviant sexual behavior including fornication and adultery so there is really no room for discussion. Similarly the Bible condemns atheism and there is no reason to have an atheist posting on this Baptist Board. Is there?

However, the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, strongly condemns deviant sexual behavior including fornication and adultery so there is really no room for discussion. Similarly the Bible condemns atheism and there is no reason to have an atheist posting on this Baptist Board. Is there?

Your point is well stated and made, but I think that the church should be willing to address these issues upfront. I am not meaning to bash the board for their stance here--just wondering why it is not allowed at all.

We should all be in agreement here I would think
 

quantumfaith

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Keep patting yourself on your back and see what happens.

As for Neanderthal or even Cro-Magnon they exist only in the imagination of someone who likes to dig in the dirt!

Why would you respond with such...."keep patting yourself on the back"

Do I misread your congeniality?
 

quantumfaith

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However, the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, strongly condemns deviant sexual behavior including fornication and adultery so there is really no room for discussion. Similarly the Bible condemns atheism and there is no reason to have an atheist posting on this Baptist Board. Is there?

Your point is well stated and made, but I think that the church should be willing to address these issues upfront. I am not meaning to bash the board for their stance here--just wondering why it is not allowed at all.

We should all be in agreement here I would think

Maroon. I wish to call you out. Are you claiming that I am a an atheist? Say so if that is what you think.
 

Marooncat79

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Maroon. I wish to call you out. Are you claiming that I am a an atheist? Say so if that is what you think.

I am saying that you have a VERY UNBIBLICAL view of God, the creation ordinance, the creation of man, and the Bible in general if you truly believe what I think that you believe.

I may be misunderstanding you though?
 

quantumfaith

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I am saying that you have a VERY UNBIBLICAL view of God, the creation ordinance, the creation of man, and the Bible in general if you truly believe what I think that you believe.

I may be misunderstanding you though?

Yes I disagree with your views on YEC etc. But I am as much a theist and believer redeemed by Christ as you yourself. I REALLY think you should backtrack on the naming me as an atheist.
 

Marooncat79

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I looked back and do not see where I called you an atheist, but you have definitely come under the influence of a false system of belief

I mean really, believers from the beginning have always understood the earth to be about 6000 yrs .old or so. The "age of enlightenment" changed all of that and I am afraid that you have come under its influence.

Grace and peace

Romans 6:23
 
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