The Age of The Gentiles

[Whitedove]

First off let me say hello and God Bless to everyone. I'm new to this forum the church I clean keeps me so busy I don't have much time for other activities. Someone at work made some strange statements and I could use some solid theological enlightenment. He stated that we are currently in the age of the gentiles, but after the rapture of the church takes place the age of the gentiles will be over and only those who are Jews will be saved during the time of the tribulation. This man says that God will refuse to allow gentiles to call on God, repent, and be saved during that time. This can't possibly be true. My KJV bible says that God would have all men to be saved and that he is not willing to allow any to perish. Any scriptural input on this would greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Wendy

 

[Jeep Dragon]

First off, disproving a negative is next to impossible. Put the burden of proof on him to Scriptually prove that only Jews can be saved during the tribulation. Just as a quick response, I scaned Revelation chapter 2 on the angels of the seven churches. I'm assuming that not all seven churches are full of nothing but Jews.

(Rev 2:8) And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
(Rev 2:9) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
(Rev 2:10) Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days; be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
(Rev 2:11) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

I don't see anywhere in context of Revelation or in the prophecies of Daniel where the Jews are recognized or specified. More input by others would be helpful.

 

[Whitedove]

Thank you for all the replies. This really helps.
Wendy

 

[Ed Edwards]

Thank you for all the replies. This really helps.
Wendy

Whitedove: //This man says that God will refuse
to allow gentiles to call on God, repent, and
be saved during that time.//

The statement is incorrect. God will allow gentiles
to call on God, repent, and be saved during
the Tribulation Period.

HOWEVER, i suspect fewer than 10,000 will
take advantage of it. Come on, if one can't 'call
on God, repent, and be saved' during the easy times
how will they do it in the hard time?

I also think the actual Tribulation gentile saints will
ALL be stillborn saints. Stillborn saints are those who
are executed as a result of their confession leading
to salvation.

Rev 9:20-21 (KJV1611 Edition):
And the rest of the men which were not killed
by these plagues, yet repented not of the works
of their hands, that they should not worship deuils,
and idoles of golde, and siluer, and brasse,
and stone, and of wood, which neither can see,
nor heare, nor walke:
21 Neither repented they of their murders,
nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication,
nor of their thefts.

(also note that "the favorite sins of the Tribulation Period"
are fairly popular right now )

 

[skypair]

First off let me say hello and God Bless to everyone. I'm new to this forum the church I clean keeps me so busy I don't have much time for other activities.

Welcome to BB, Wendy!! :godisgood:

Someone at work made some strange statements and I could use some solid theological enlightenment. He stated that we are currently in the age of the gentiles,...

This person appears to refer to these verses -- "fulness of the Gentiles" (Rom 11:25-26) and "times of the Gentiles be fulfilled" (Luke 21:24). They both speak of the age of Gentile dominion over the earth as opposed to, in the MK, when Israel will have dominion. In fact, the Gentiles have dominion until Christ, the Deliverer, come.

...but after the rapture of the church takes place the age of the gentiles will be over and only those who are Jews will be saved during the time of the tribulation.

A little off on his terms. Actually, the age of the church as God's instrumentality will be over -- the true church having been raptured and the false church in apostasy having begun the new world religion. It is the beginning of the tribulation that 2 revived OT witnesses begin their ministry in Israel, (Rev 11) and one, Elijah, is sent to "restore all things" meaning the temple being rebuilt and sacrifices therein.

This man says that God will refuse to allow gentiles to call on God, repent, and be saved during that time. This can't possibly be true.

You are absolutely right. Many Idealistic and mostly immature believers tell you this. They get it from 2Thes 2:9-13 which they mishandle. Actually, there are 2 groups there, not one. One group fails to believe pretrib that they might be saved. Satan will try to deceive them but I believe that the rapture event will convert them. They will, however, he martyred in the 5th seal.

The other groups are those who disbelieved "but had pleasure in unrighteousness." These never convert -- why would they? They love lawlessness! They, 2Thes 2:13 says, are "damned" forever.

Rev 2-3 backs this up (5 churches are told "repent" specifically because they are IN the tribulation. They coincides with the 5 foolish virgins in Mt 25:1-13 who are left behind and told to "go buy." (Notice the same is said to Laodicea!)

You are on solid ground with your rebuttal of that man. :applause:

skypair

 

[Whitedove]

Thank you for all the good information. I'm praying that God will open the door for me to speak to him about this. If he is telling this to others if they are unsaved and miss the rapture they may feel there is no hope left for them.
Thanks Again

 

[Jeep Dragon]

A little off on his terms. Actually, the age of the church as God's instrumentality will be over -- the true church having been raptured and the false church in apostasy having begun the new world religion. It is the beginning of the tribulation that 2 revived OT witnesses begin their ministry in Israel, (Rev 11) and one, Elijah, is sent to "restore all things" meaning the temple being rebuilt and sacrifices therein.

Are you saying that people will sacrifice animals during the MK? Why? What exactly is to be restored? The old temple and old testament ways or the whole world to prefall conditions? Wasn't Jesus the ultimate sacrifice?

 

[Tom Butler]

Hello and welcome, Wendy,

Ed Edwards is what we call a dispensationalist, and that is the eschatological view that your co-worker also holds. Ed argues that gentiles will be able to be saved during the tribulation. But in my first exposure to dispy thought, my pastor taught exactly what your co-worker believes--that after the rapture, it's too late for any gentile to be saved.

It's obvious that all dispys do not speak with one voice.

I also believe that gentiles will be saved during the tribulation, but mainly that's because I do not buy the idea of a pre-trib rapture. But that's been argued in other threads, so no need to start a debate here.

 

[Whitedove]

Are you saying that people will sacrifice animals during the MK? Why? What exactly is to be restored? The old temple and old testament ways or the whole world to prefall conditions? Wasn't Jesus the ultimate sacrifice?

I don't think he is saying that there will be sacrifices during the MK, to the best of my knowlege this will be done sometime during the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation. Also this will be done by the nation of Israel. They will rebuild the Temple and offer animal sacrifices. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.