The American voters proved Gruber to be correct...

[righteousdude2]

If you look at the facts, you can see that Americans have proved that Gruber is right on. After all, they put Obama in an office he is clearly not competent to run.

It's a fact: When Bush Sr. made the mistake of saying, "Read my lips...no new taxes!" It cost him a second term! Had he been a Democrat he'd have won a second term.

Fact: Obama tells people they can keep their doctor, insurance and nothing will change. And Obama wins a second term and four more years to tell more "fish" stories.

Gruber may not be such a flimflam man after all. In fact history may prove him to be the Karl Rove of Obamacare and Obama's reign as Emperor of the USA! Got to love any one who can scam the majority of the voters, not once, but twice.

So here's the $64,000.00 question...do you think the voters are stupid, or just liberal at heart?

 

[matt wade]

I agree with you. Gruber is correct. American voters are stupid. They elected a bunch of republicans this time around, thinking they would be different from the democrats.

 

[church mouse guy]

I don't know if you call the Massachusetts Institute of Technology a member of the Ivy League or not. Personally, I don't, but I realize that M.I.T. is an university for geniuses.

The Professor of Economics clearly is a bright mind, but a few ordinary citizens here and there caught up with him and he resorted to sophistry to extricate himself from answering a direct question. So the Professor is a bright mind without a conscience. He made about $6,000,000,000 off the American taxpayers by playing rhetorical and economic tricks with his advanced mind.

But the Ivy League and their scientific auxiliary at M.I.T. do think that they are better than everyone else--a hallmark of liberal thought.

Intellectuals are notorious for cruel mistreatment of the ordinary person. The egghead miser Picasso, for example, drove all of his women/wives insane literally except one who got away from him and his cruelty. Years ago, John MacArthur mentioned a book by Paul Johnson called The Intellectuals, which MacArthur described as a description of the powerful mind devoid of Christianity.

Malcolm Muggeridge, English Catholic philosopher, a few years ago described the two ills of our times as "egomania and erotomania". In the case of the M.I.T. professor we clearly are dealing with the egomania of an egghead with no morals, no Christianity, who used his mind to accumulate wealth at the expense of the poorest of the poor, the American common man.

 

[carpro]

So here's the $64,000.00 question...do you think the voters are stupid, or just liberal at heart?

One thing to remember is half the people in this country are on some type of government assistance.


Many, many people vote their income. Nothing else matters. If they see one candidate as keeping that money coming and maybe even increasing it, they'll vote that way, disregarding any other factors. Obama has spent his entire time in office trying to expand the number of people on the government dole. He has been successful. Millions more people are on food stamps than when he took office.

That being said, more are uniformed than are stupid. Many just don't care as long as uncle Sam keeps sending that check. Selfish and stupid both.

 

[InTheLight]

If you look at the facts, you can see that Americans have proved that Gruber is right on. After all, they put Obama in an office he is clearly not competent to run.

Fact: Obama tells people they can keep their doctor, insurance and nothing will change. And Obama wins a second term and four more years to tell more "fish" stories.

Fact: Obama won a 2nd term in November 2012. Letters telling people they couldn't keep their health care plan started coming out in spring 2013, after he was re-elected.

So here's the $64,000.00 question...do you think the voters are stupid, or just liberal at heart?

Voters are stupid, but not some conservative voters or some tea party voters since they had predicted you wouldn't be able to keep your insurance years ago.

 

[carpro]

Voters are stupid, but not some conservative voters or some tea party voters since they had predicted you wouldn't be able to keep your insurance years ago.

I think anyone that had even a basic understanding of insurance could tell you what was coming.

They're not through with the premium increases, either. Not by a long shot.

Medicare patients won't be able to keep their doctors either. That has already started.

 

[righteousdude2]

I think anyone that had even a basic understanding of insurance could tell you what was coming.

They're not through with the premium increases, either. Not by a long shot.

Medicare patients won't be able to keep their doctors either. That has already started.

Agreed ..... for years I questioned just where all the money would come from to pay for all these FREE insurance benefits for the needy and uninsured? It made sense that it had to come from somewhere, and since the feds are in debt trillions of dollars, the answer was not far fetched. It was coming out of the pockets of those who had a job and had a bank account.

Let's just call Obamacare the modern version of Robin Hoods attempts to steal from the well-off folks to pay the poor!

BTW - As I asked that question as to who was going to foot the bill for this national health plan, I was cognizant of the fact that I was already starting to contribute as I watch my copays and premiums go up and up and up!

I know pay copays that are three times of what I paid before Obamacare got to spin its wheels. And my premiums jumped by 73% in a two-year period. In all the years prior to Obamacare, my premiums would increase by no more than 1% or 2%. So, Gruber was right on, and those who were blinded by the "pie-in-the-sky" rainbow Obama was selling, are now seeing what many of us knew was coming. Higher costs, and fewer services! What is next?

It may be cost-effective to move to Canada and hold duel citizenship, so we can use their insurance when ours become too costly to approach! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[InTheLight]

Agreed ..... for years I questioned just where all the money would come from to pay for all these FREE insurance benefits for the needy and uninsured? It made sense that it had to come from somewhere, and since the feds are in debt trillions of dollars, the answer was not far fetched. It was coming out of the pockets of those who had a job and had a bank account.

So you're saying people are having direct transfers taken out of their savings accounts so other people can have insurance with ObamaCare? I'd like to see some proof of that. Go ahead, we'll all wait.

I know pay copays that are three times of what I paid before Obamacare got to spin its wheels. And my premiums jumped by 73% in a two-year period. In all the years prior to Obamacare, my premiums would increase by no more than 1% or 2%.

"In all the years prior to ObamaCare" your premiums only went up 1% to 2% annually. Sorry, but I don't believe you.

 

[matt wade]

"In all the years prior to ObamaCare" your premiums only went up 1% to 2% annually. Sorry, but I don't believe you.

Neither do I..but that won't stop him from regurgitating the same information. Even if we can show data to show different.