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The Army's hard sell

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Travelsong

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/27/opinion/27herbert.html


The Army's Hard Sell

By BOB HERBERT
Published: June 27, 2005

The all-volunteer Army is not working. The problem with such an Army is that there are limited numbers of people who will freely choose to participate in an enterprise in which they may well be shot, blown up, burned to death or suffer some other excruciating fate.

The all-volunteer Army is fine in peacetime, and in military routs like the first gulf war. But when the troops are locked in a prolonged war that yields high casualties, and they look over their shoulders to see if reinforcements are coming from the general population, they find -as they're finding now - that no one is there.

Although it has been lowering standards, raising bonuses and all but begging on its knees, the Army hasn't reached its recruitment quota in months. There are always plenty of hawks in America. But the hawks want their wars fought with other people's children.

The problem now is that most Americans have had plenty of time to digest the images of people being blown up in Baghdad and mutilated in Fallujah, and they know that thousands of our troops are coming home in coffins, or without their arms, or without their legs, or paralyzed, or horribly burned.

War in the abstract can often seem like a good idea. Politicians get the patriotic blood flowing with their bombast and lies. But the flesh-and-blood reality of war is very different.

The war in Iraq was sold to the American public the way a cheap car salesman sells a lemon. Dick Cheney assured the nation that Americans in Iraq would be "greeted as liberators." Kenneth Adelman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board said the war would be a "cakewalk." And Donald Rumsfeld said on National Public Radio: "I can't say if the use of force would last five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that."

The hot-for-war crowd never mentioned young men and women being shipped back to their families deceased or maimed. Nor was there any suggestion that a broad swath of the population should share in the sacrifice.

Now, with the war going badly and the Army chasing potential recruits with a ferocity that is alarming, a backlash is developing that could cripple the nation's ability to wage war without a draft. Even as the ranks of new recruits are dwindling, many parents and public school officials are battling the increasingly heavy-handed tactics being used by military recruiters who are desperately trying to sign up high school kids.

"I started getting calls and people coming to the school board meeting testifying that they were getting inundated with phone calls from military recruiters," said Sandra Lowe, a board member and former president of the Sonoma Valley Unified School District in California.

She said parents complained that in some schools "the military recruiters were on campus all the time," sometimes handing out "things that the parents did not want in their homes, including very violent video games."

Ms. Lowe said she was especially disturbed by a joint effort of the Defense Department and a private contractor, disclosed last week, to build a database of 30 million 16- to 25-year-olds, complete with Social Security numbers, racial and ethnic identification codes, grade point averages and phone numbers. The database is to be scoured for youngsters that the Pentagon believes can be persuaded to join the military.

"To have this national data collection is just over the top," Ms. Lowe said.

Like many other parents resisting aggressive recruitment measures, Ms. Lowe has turned to a Web site - leavemychildalone.org - that counsels parents on their rights and the rights of their children. She described the site as "wonderful."

What's not so wonderful is that this war with no end in sight is becoming an ever more divisive issue for Americans. A clear divide is developing between those who want to continue the present course and those who feel it's time to craft an exit strategy.

But with volunteers in extremely short supply, an even more emotional divide is occurring over the ways in which soldiers for this war are selected. Increasing numbers of Americans are recognizing the inherent unfairness of the all-volunteer force in a time of war. That emotional issue will become more heated as the war continues. And it is sure to resonate in the wars to come.
Maybe it's time for you war mongers to step up and contribute to your righteous cause?
 

church mouse guy

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We need capitulation and compromise just like we got in Korea and Viet Nam. We need to prove to the world that we will not spend our blood to win a war and a third withdrawal mid-war in 50 years should establish that once and for all.
 

KenH

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Well, Travelsong, with people like you sabotaging the war effort with your anti-war rhetoric I am not surprised that the army is having some temporary difficulties in recruting. However, the navy and the air force are not having such problems.
 
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OCC

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The U.S. navy rocks! And my girlfriend's brother is in the air force.

But he has a point. All who "support" the war who are young enough...get off their butts and join up.
 
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OCC

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Originally posted by KenH:
Well, Travelsong, with people like you sabotaging the war effort with your anti-war rhetoric I am not surprised that the army is having some temporary difficulties in recruting. However, the navy and the air force are not having such problems.
By the way...it is sad that comments like that have to be made Ken. But you have as much right to make them as the people who are against the war make their statements. If I were American and was against the war as a citizen...I'd say come and make me change my mind.
 

Enoch

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Travelsong since you voted for the war what does that make you. And by the way you did not answer my questions in the other thread.

King James how old are you? I am thinking Jr. High? Am I correct?
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OCC

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Originally posted by Enoch:
Travelsong since you voted for the war what does that make you. And by the way you did not answer my questions in the other thread.

King James how old are you? I am thinking Jr. High? Am I correct?
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Enoch...no you are not correct. Funny how you make a stupid accusation yet provide no basis for such. For one I am 30. For another...we don't have "junior high" here. Keep it up Enoch...I read about "prating fools" in the Bible today...
 

LadyEagle

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Well, Travelsong, with people like you sabotaging the war effort with your anti-war rhetoric
Travelsong, whatever did you do to sabatoge the war effort? Did you join up with the Senator Durbin? Did you criticize the job our troops are doing? Did you sell critical intelligence to America's enemies? Are you giving aid and comfort to Saudi Arabia or Syria?

Or is exercising your 1st Amendment Rights under the US Constitution sabatoging the war effort?

Climb on board the regime change train. All aboard!
 
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Travelsong

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Originally posted by Enoch:
Travelsong since you voted for the war what does that make you.
Duped.

Originally posted by Enoch:
And by the way you did not answer my questions in the other thread.
Which was?
 
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Travelsong

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Originally posted by KenH:
Well, Travelsong, with people like you sabotaging the war effort with your anti-war rhetoric I am not surprised that the army is having some temporary difficulties in recruting. However, the navy and the air force are not having such problems.
Hooray for the media. At least they're good for something. It's important for kids to know the futility of this war. Let them see what's really going on over there and decide for themselves if this is a noble cause.
 

KenH

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I agree that our young men and women should decide for themselves whether to defend their family and friends and the rest of us in the United States.
 
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Travelsong

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Which means you also agree that those who are over there now should be forced to bear the burden of this entire war, because nobody wants to be a part of it any longer.
 

OldRegular

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Those lefties who want to bail out of Iraq are inviting more 9/11's. But if they get that warm fuzzy feeling I guess its OK.
 

KenH

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Travelsong,

Upon reflection, I want to apologize for my use of the word "sabotage" in referring to you. I think that was much too strong of a word for me to have used.

Ken
 
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OCC

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Originally posted by Enoch:
Travelsong since you voted for the war what does that make you. And by the way you did not answer my questions in the other thread.

King James how old are you? I am thinking Jr. High? Am I correct?
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I forgot one more important factoid "Enoch".

Jr. High (which we don't have) is not an "age". Age is a number, jr. high is a grade level. :cool:
 
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Travelsong

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Originally posted by KenH:
Travelsong,

Upon reflection, I want to apologize for my use of the word "sabotage" in referring to you. I think that was much too strong of a word for me to have used.

Ken
No problemo my friend. I simply believe we are living on borrowed time. The billions and billions of dollars wasted on this war could have been used to secure our borders and provide a system for tracking everything that enters this country which might pose a potential threat.

I concede the possibility that Bush may have had good intentions regarding Iraq, but I also have come to the conclusion that the dissenters were in fact correct from the beginning. This war was sold on a false premise. Iraq did not attack us on 9/11 nor was it even indirectly involved.

I honestly don't wish our troops to fail, but I know you can't fight a fanatical enemy who would gladly commit suicide to kill a few dozen innocents. This was a war no one could have predicted and the U.S. is not prepapared or able to fight it.
 

carpro

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The enemy in the field is far less dangerous than the enemy at home. Just like Vietnam.
 
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Travelsong

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So if the overwhelming majority of Americans threw their support behind this war you believe that would discourage and quell the fanaticism of the enemy to the point that all of these suiced bombers and insurgents would give up? I think you underestimate their determination. Bush had our support for quite some time. He was not prepared for this kind of war. Therein lies our defeat. Our youth will not be convinced that this is a noble cause they should be willing to sacrifice their lives for, because the only reason we are committed to staying at this point is to save face. And I agree with you, it was the same in Vietnam.

At some point the human toll will be too costly to go on and we will have no choice but to pull out.
 
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