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The Atonement.

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by johnp., May 31, 2005.

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  1. OCC

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    "You are not a king."

    Am to. [​IMG]

    Care to dispute that?
     
    #221 OCC, Jun 28, 2005
  2. OCC

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    "Have you spoken to my Shrink yet?"

    Yeah...He said yer a flamin nutcase. [​IMG] And calling God a "Shrink" is blasphemy John.
     
    #222 OCC, Jun 28, 2005
  3. johnp.

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    Hello KJ! Are you getting wound up or something? :cool:
    Well that's His fault not mine. Why did He make me like this? Romans 9:19. :cool:
    Is He not renewing my mind? I'll let Him tell me if I blaspheme.

    john.
     
    #223 johnp., Jun 28, 2005
  4. OCC

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    2 Tim. 4:8(a) "Finally, there is laid up for me the CROWN of righteousness..."

    1Peter 2:9(a) "But you are a chosen generation, a ROYAL priesthood, a holy nation.

    I know you didn't expect me to use these verses but "royal" and "crowns" imply kingship. If you want to argue that, then I will change my tune to being a prince. Which I am, according to Scripture. [​IMG]

    In that case, my name is just a name I chose because I felt like it and I believe I explained the reason to you before. :cool:
     
    #224 OCC, Jun 28, 2005
  5. OCC

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    God is not a "Shrink". Are you saying that shrinks renew your minds and you can thus equate God with being a shrink?

    Not wound up...havin fun actually. [​IMG] You would know if I was wound up, trust me.

    "Well that's His fault not mine. Why did He make me like this? Romans 9:19"
    It's not His fault. You are responsible for what you do and cannot ask why He "made you like that". That is what you like to qoute so often isn't it? Rather than verses about God's love for lost men, stuff like that. Before you think you tricked me into agreeing with Calvinism...I was using that verse the same way you do. [​IMG]
     
    #225 OCC, Jun 28, 2005
  6. OCC

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    "I'll let Him tell me if I blaspheme." Likewise, I'll let Him tell me if I'm "making something up" and not really giving a Scriptural opinion. [​IMG]
     
    #226 OCC, Jun 28, 2005
  7. johnp.

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    Hello KJ.

    [removed remark concerning salvation of non Calvinists]
    I am a Prince. Loved by God and Royal I am. I am, not will be, but am forever.
    [removed again]
    Something about a joke with some friends but King James was a good prot it makes me wonder [personal attack removed]

    john.

    Edited and Johnp has apologized for his remarks.

    [ June 28, 2005, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]
     
    #227 johnp., Jun 28, 2005
  8. OCC

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    That post is nothing but trash and full of untruth John. I noticed not one Scripture used in your false accusations.

    Here's one for ya:

    1 Peter 2:1-3 "Therefore, laying aside all malice, all DECEIT, hypocrisy, envy, and all EVIL SPEAKING, as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grown thereby, if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious."
     
    #228 OCC, Jun 28, 2005
  9. johnp.

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    Hello KJ.
    You should be more careful with scripture you have a spelling mistake. Cutting and pasting scripture is best in my opinion. :cool:

    john.
     
    #229 johnp., Jun 28, 2005
  10. BobRyan

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    This is very True KJ -

    God Said HE LOVED Jesus "This is my BELOVED SON in whom I AM WELL PLEASED".

    Not only that - He said that HE WEEPS over the LOST the lost that are under a curse, the lost that are going to hell because they reject the gift of salvation AND the DRAWING of the Holy Spirit.

    In fact Gal 3 argues that WE ALL were UNDER A CURSE but God SO LOVED US -- under that curse of eternal death -- THAT HE GAVE..!!

    NO precidence AT ALL for saying He only "hates hates hates"!!

    The BIBLE NEVER says that those under the curse are "hated".

    It is Calvinism that draws that horrible picture of God.

    LACKING a text that SAYS "God hated Jesus" they "make it up"!!!

    What could be more obvious!!??

    (Curious that no Calvinist will step forward and "admit" that they REJECT the "Election by GENETICS" heresy of JohnP -- though we know they all do reject it!!

    Curious that EVEN NOW they do not come forward and say they reject the notion that "God hated Jesus" -- though we know they all reject it!!

    Curious that they leave it to Arminians to address the blunders in their own camp!!)

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
    #230 BobRyan, Jun 28, 2005
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    Arminians only address the blunders of their own strawmen that they set up.
     
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  12. Wes Outwest

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    Is that the best you can do ON THE TOPIC?
     
    #232 Wes Outwest, Jun 28, 2005
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    I thought maybe this was the time you might "finally" address the "election by genetics" fallacy of JohnP.

    Or was it the "God hated Jesus" fallacy he promotes that you are dodging with that response?

    Or is it "both"??

    Hmm. Seems like you are making my point "again".

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
    #233 BobRyan, Jun 29, 2005
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    Hello Bob.

    What does 'cursed by God mean?

    john.
     
    #234 johnp., Jun 29, 2005
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    Hello Bob.

    What dos chosen nation mean would that have something to do with genetics?

    john.
     
    #235 johnp., Jun 29, 2005
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    Hello Bob.

    Why don't you answer my questions?

    john.
     
    #236 johnp., Jun 29, 2005
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    Hello KJ.
    Answer the question then. What does 'God cursed Jesus on the cross' mean?
    Below is your clever answer try to answer the question KJ.
    Cursed is anyone who is hung on a tree means cursed is anyone who is hung on a tree.
    What does it mean? I don't believe that is really the best you can do? :cool:

    john.
     
    #237 johnp., Jun 29, 2005
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    Hello Wes.
    What does cursing God entail Wes please? Has it love as it's base or not?

    What does 'cursed by God' mean Wes?

    john.
     
    #238 johnp., Jun 29, 2005
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    Hello Bob.

    Yes or no will do. :cool:

    john.
     
    #239 johnp., Jun 29, 2005
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    God CHOSE Abraham BUT NOT ALL his children and grandchildren!

    And then Isaac - BUT NOT ALL his children and grandchildren

    And then Jacob - - but then WIPED out the 10 tribes!

    My point is that though the 12 tribes were CHOSEN that CHOOSING did not stop God from wiping them out.

    Also - you and I both know it was not CHOOSING for the elect - but for the nation CHURCH of Israel. So still no basis for saying the ELECT are CHOSEN based on GENETICS!

    And then in Romans 9 and 11 God explains that it is "NOT the children of the FLESH" (genetics) but the "Children of the PROMISE that are heirs" of the real spiritual promise.

    Anyway - you knew all this you just wanted to toss out "another rabbit trail" in your endless quest to sidetrack rather than pursue truth.

    Pointless - but A fun game. I don't mind playing it with you.

    IN Christ,

    Bob
     
    #240 BobRyan, Jun 29, 2005
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