The Beatles are the greatest rock n' roll band of all time.

[DHK]

So why are you so obsessed about songs of the Beatles?

Because as soon as I posted the truth about this ungodly group, I was challenged to keep on posting. Do you want me to avoid questions like the one you just asked?
DHK

 

[DHK]

[SIZE=-1]{quote]HOW DOES A BEATLE LIVE?
Experience has sown few seeds of doubt in him: not that his mind is closed, but it's closed round whatever he believes at the time. 'Christianity will go,' he said. 'It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first-rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me.' He is reading extensively about religion.

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]He can sleep almost indefinitely, is probably the laziest person in England. 'Physically lazy,' he said. 'I don't mind writing or reading or watching or speaking, but sex is the only physical thing I can be bothered with any more.' Occasionally he is driven to London in the Rolls by an ex-Welsh guardsman called Anthony; Anthony has a moustache that intrigues him.[/quote]
http://www.geocities.com/nastymcquickly/articles/standard.html

JOHN LENNON: A NEW JESUS?
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The life and teachings of Jesus had always intrigued John. When he and Paul were still teenagers, they started work on a play, heavily influenced by the absurdism of Harold Pinter’s plays "The Birthday Party" and "The Dumb Waiter," with a central character named Pilchard who lived in suburbia and believed he was a “Christ figure.” In November 1965 Paul mentioned it to New Musical Express, saying that it was “about Jesus Christ coming back to earth as an ordinary person.” John regularly poked fun at church dignitaries, parodied hymns, and drew blasphemous cartoons of Christ on the cross in a way that only the once-faithful can. It was as though he was trying to prove to himself that he was free from the influence of the Church of England.

When he became recognized as a leader, he began to empathize with the person Christians referred to as “the Lord.” He wondered whether Christ, like the Beatles, had had divinity thrust on him by over-zealous followers. Had Jesus been someone with a gift for storytelling, insight into the human condition, and the ability to foretell the future, who had been turned into a god figure against his will?

Jesus had been co-opted by people with a different agenda. He speculated that Jesus’ claim to be the son of God might have been a way of telling us that we’re all divine but that most of us don’t recognize it. When asked to nominate his heroes for the cover of Sgt. Pepper, John included Jesus, but it was eventually decided not to use this image. “It was just too controversial,” says designer Peter Blake. “I’m not even sure that he was actually made into a cut-out.”

In 1980, when asked why the Beatles would never reform, his reply alluded to at least three Gospel stories. “Do we have to divide the fish and the loaves for the multitudes again?” he said. “Do we have to get crucified again? Do we have to do the walking on water again because a whole pile of dummies didn’t see it the first time or didn’t believe it when they saw it? That’s what they’re asking. ‘Get off the cross. I didn’t understand it the first time. Can you do it again?’ No way. You can’t do things twice.”

Occasionally this empathy was so consuming that, as he later admitted, when he was under the influence of drugs, “I thought, ‘Oh, I must be Christ.’” His boyhood friend Pete Shotton told of a meeting John called in May 1968 to tell Paul, George, and Ringo that he was Jesus Christ reincarnated. He wanted an authorized statement to that effect put out. Apple’s press officer Derek Taylor, who was also present, listened attentively but wisely ignored the plea, knowing that the drugs would soon wear off and this new Jesus would go back to being John.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/197/story_19780_2.html

Any sane believer would reject this antichrist's music right away.

James 3:11-12 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

Matthew 12:33-37 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Mark 7:21-23 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Matthew 7:16-20 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Lennon's fruit was of the devil. Avoid it at all costs.
DHK
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[Petra-O IX]

And you are still wrong

[SIZE=-1]{quote]HOW DOES A BEATLE LIVE?
Experience has sown few seeds of doubt in him: not that his mind is closed, but it's closed round whatever he believes at the time. 'Christianity will go,' he said. 'It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first-rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me.' He is reading extensively about religion.

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]He can sleep almost indefinitely, is probably the laziest person in England. 'Physically lazy,' he said. 'I don't mind writing or reading or watching or speaking, but sex is the only physical thing I can be bothered with any more.' Occasionally he is driven to London in the Rolls by an ex-Welsh guardsman called Anthony; Anthony has a moustache that intrigues him.

http://www.geocities.com/nastymcquickly/articles/standard.html

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http://www.beliefnet.com/story/197/story_19780_2.html

Any sane believer would reject this antichrist's music right away.

James 3:11-12 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

Matthew 12:33-37 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Mark 7:21-23 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Matthew 7:16-20 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Lennon's fruit was of the devil. Avoid it at all costs.
DHK
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And you are still wrong about your interpretations of the songs that you previously listed,
I am not defending the Beatles DHK but you are not being completely truthfull when you mistate the meaning of the songs that you posted on. Also as I have previously stated earlier on in this thread if Lennon had never made the statement about the Beatles being more popular than Jesus many Christians of that day would have been still asleep.Lennons's statement served as a wake up call for many Christians.

 

[DHK]

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[/SIZE]Also as I have previously stated earlier on in this thread if Lennon had never made the statement about the Beatles being more popular than Jesus many Christians of that day would have been still asleep.Lennons's statement served as a wake up call for many Christians.

I don't want to call you a liar, but you are wrong.
Google it for yourself and see. Website after website, even some of the Beatle's own website's confirm the statement as true. Facts are facts whether you want to accept them or not. Sorry to offend your sensibilities. But the truth is historical fact.

 

[Petra-O IX]

This is a bit confusing

I don't want to call you a liar, but you are wrong.
Google it for yourself and see. Website after website, even some of the Beatle's own website's confirm the statement as true. Facts are facts whether you want to accept them or not. Sorry to offend your sensibilities. But the truth is historical fact.

Wrong about what? Christians waking up? A lot newspapers reported gatherings of Christians burning Beatle records after Lennon's statement about Jesus. Are we in dispute of some sorts about you interpretations of the songs you posted on. Give me a link to prove your point. Other than your interpretations of the songs "Help", "Her Majesty" and "The Inner Light" we kind of agree on the other points about the Beatles.
And I am not offended. Someone once stated that you can tell how mature a Christian is by how easily they get offended.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Let me try this again....

Yes I have heard of "Help," and remember the words to it. It wasn't a cry to God.
"Help, I need someone; Help, I need anyone Heeelp...." His cry for help was for some whore, not for God.

How did you deduce this?

You didn't write that it "may be" or "could be," you opted to state in no uncertain terms that this was "for some whore."
Now, since you stated this unequivocally, please provide your support for such a strong contention. The lyrics that you have reproduced (and failed to note the copyright on them) are largely innocuous, and do not support such a claim.

Recall what you wrote to Unchartered Spirit on Friday, October 13th @ 4:06PM:

I suggest you apologize for your slanderous remark and your lies about me.

Let's make sure we have proof for outright declarations, especially when the source material does not seemingly indicate that which we have claimed.

BiR

 

[DHK]

Let me try this again....



How did you deduce this?

You didn't write that it "may be" or "could be," you opted to state in no uncertain terms that this was "for some whore."
Now, since you stated this unequivocally, please provide your support for such a strong contention. The lyrics that you have reproduced (and failed to note the copyright on them) are largely innocuous, and do not support such a claim.

First, I provided a link in a subsequent post to a website that provides all the lyrics to the Beatles songs. They are easy enough to find. Before that post, the only words of the song that I posted were those that I quoted from memory. I didn't think that you required a link to my memory.
Secondly, I have explained that Lennon was involved in eastern mysticism. His god is not the God of the Bible. He has written some of the most hateful literature against Christ that there is. He is a Christ hater. I posted and verified how even his manager agrees with this assessment.
Thirdly, if the above be true, then in the song "Help," the call for help certainly wasn't a call for help from the God whom he hated. That doesn't make much sense does it? One must at least be logical in their thinking. He also said in his song that he leaves the door open. He speaks of a person that is present of whom he is asking help from. It is not difficult to put the picture together. Look at the words. Examine them. There is no god in the song "Help." I provided other quotes to show you what his interests were. That should have been enough. Perhaps my language was a bit strong for your tastes, but I don't take it back. Lennon was a very immoral and wicked man. Why any person would defend his actions I don't know.

Recall what you wrote to Unchartered Spirit on Friday, October 13th @ 4:06PM:

I suggested that he apologize for falsely accusing me and lying about me based on supposed knowledge that he had about me, when in fact he knows nothing about me. Saying that I have never heard the music of the Beatles is a blatant lie:

As a matter of fact, you lie if you say you've even heard Beetles music.

I did not lie. He needs to apologize.

Let's make sure we have proof for outright declarations, especially when the source material does not seemingly indicate that which we have claimed.

I note your concerns. I have provided ample information for what I have claimed, and what I have claimed I believe to be true. If that offends Beatle lovers, then so be it. Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. The Beatles as a whole were very evil people.
DHK

 

[Petra-O IX]

Your case is thrown out of court for lack evidence

Thirdly, if the above be true, then in the song "Help," the call for help certainly wasn't a call for help from the God whom he hated. That doesn't make much sense does it? One must at least be logical in their thinking. He also said in his song that he leaves the door open. He speaks of a person that is present of whom he is asking help from. It is not difficult to put the picture together. Look at the words. Examine them. There is no god in the song "Help." I provided other quotes to show you what his interests were. That should have been enough. Perhaps my language was a bit strong for your tastes, but I don't take it back. Lennon was a very immoral and wicked man. Why any person would defend his actions I don't know.

DHK, You have failed to provide sufficient evidence that the songs you interpreted were about sex or or a whore , you have even given credit to John Lennon for writtting a song that in fact can be attributed to George Harrison ("The Inner Light")You can find a list of George Harrison songs at this site http://web.mit.edu/scholvin/www/harrison/hbeatles.htm.
In a Court of Law your case would probably be thrown out of court for lack of sufficient evidence.
What you have done is stated your opinion of what you feel these songs were written about but your opinion has no factual basis.

 

[DHK]

DHK, You have failed to provide sufficient evidence that the songs you interpreted were about sex or or a whore , you have even given credit to John Lennon for writtting a song that in fact can be attributed to George Harrison ("The Inner Light")You can find a list of George Harrison songs at this site http://web.mit.edu/scholvin/www/harrison/hbeatles.htm.
In a Court of Law your case would probably be thrown out of court for lack of sufficient evidence.
What you have done is stated your opinion of what you feel these songs were written about but your opinion has no factual basis.

I see that I have been mistaken about the authorship of Inner light. Would you like me to find other songs that portray the same ideology that are written by John Lennon? There are many, and they aren't hard to find. Why do you defend these wicked unsaved people who no doubt found their way to Hell very quickly (at least the ones that are no longer living).
They, inasmuch as spit in the face of Christ. You condone this. Read over the quotes attributed to Lennon again. He was an ungodly wretch. Why can't you accept this? A corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit.

If my interpretation of "Help" is not a reasonable interpretation of what it should be then you give me yours and the reasons why. Give the reasons from the context of the song itself.
DHK

 

[Petra-O IX]

I see that I have been mistaken about the authorship of Inner light. Would you like me to find other songs that portray the same ideology that are written by John Lennon? There are many, and they aren't hard to find. Why do you defend these wicked unsaved people who no doubt found their way to Hell very quickly (at least the ones that are no longer living).
They, inasmuch as spit in the face of Christ. You condone this. Read over the quotes attributed to Lennon again. He was an ungodly wretch. Why can't you accept this? A corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit.

If my interpretation of "Help" is not a reasonable interpretation of what it should be then you give me yours and the reasons why. Give the reasons from the context of the song itself.
DHK

How have I defended anything about the Beatles moralities and how have I condoned thier defiance against Christ?
DHK, You are the one who made the assertions on the meanings of the songs "Help", "Her Majesty" and "The Inner Light" and you have not provided an adequate defence on those assertions which is your responsibility .
Now as far as your assertions about my condoning any of the Beatles acts of defiance against Christ or assertions you have made about me defending any wicked acts of the Beatles, can you show me any evidence that I have done so?

 

[DHK]

How have I defended anything about the Beatles moralities and how have I condoned thier defiance against Christ?
DHK, You are the one who made the assertions on the meanings of the songs "Help", "Her Majesty" and "The Inner Light" and you have not provided an adequate defence on those assertions which is your responsibility .
Now as far as your assertions about my condoning any of the Beatles acts of defiance against Christ or assertions you have made about me defending any wicked acts of the Beatles, can you show me any evidence that I have done so?

Considering their immoral way of life show me where my assessment is wrong, and in doing so provide your own assessment.

 

[Petra-O IX]

Your assessment is not entirely wrong

Considering their immoral way of life show me where my assessment is wrong, and in doing so provide your own assessment.

Your assessment in regards to the Beatles past actions are not entirely wrong. Paul and Ringo are still alive but it is doubtful that they have turned their lives over to Christ but there is always hope. The song "Help" was a song written for a Beatles movie and it was not about sex or a whore, the song "Her Majesty " was a silly little ditty written by Paul (Song credits list Lennon/ MCartney) about his wife's daughter and it was not about sex, "The Inner Light" was written by George Harrison and it was about his own personal beliefs of religion and it was not about God on the other hand George Harrison did write a song called "MY Sweet Lord" in which he tries to cover all his bases in regards to several numerous religions. "My Sweet Lord" was an inspired and pretty song but from a Christian perspective it was wrong to attempt to share the glory of God with other false gods and dieties.
So DHK. what do do ya think? I think the songs are what they say they are and nothing more.

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

Lennon... was an ungodly wretch.

As was I before Christ. Praise God I was found before I died. Don't think Lennon did, although I don't know for sure. I was 4 when he died.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

My Sweet Lord was not written about Jesus Christ. If one listened closely to the lyrics, the Beatles can be heard singing 'Hari Krishna' which has often been mistaken as 'Hallelujah'.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

No, it is not a mishearing of the lyrics. Some verses sing "Hallelujah", while others sing "Hare Krishna". As I recall, Harrison unintentionally copied the melody line of the Chiffon's "He's So Fine", for which he got sued.

Lyrics:
My sweet lord
Hm, my lord
Hm, my lord

I really want to see you
Really want to be with you
Really want to see you lord
But it takes so long, my lord

My sweet lord
Hm, my lord
Hm, my lord

I really want to know you
Really want to go with you
Really want to show you lord
That it wont take long, my lord (hallelujah)

My sweet lord (hallelujah)
Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My sweet lord (hallelujah)

I really want to see you
Really want to see you
Really want to see you, lord
Really want to see you, lord
But it takes so long, my lord (hallelujah)

My sweet lord (hallelujah)
Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My, my, my lord (hallelujah)

I really want to know you (hallelujah)
Really want to go with you (hallelujah)
Really want to show you lord (aaah)
That it wont take long, my lord (hallelujah)

Hmm (hallelujah)
My sweet lord (hallelujah)
My, my, lord (hallelujah)

Hm, my lord (hare krishna)
My, my, my lord (hare krishna)
Oh hm, my sweet lord (krishna, krishna)
Oh-uuh-uh (hare hare)

Now, I really want to see you (hare rama)
Really want to be with you (hare rama)
Really want to see you lord (aaah)
But it takes so long, my lord (hallelujah)

Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My, my, my lord (hare krishna)
My sweet lord (hare krishna)
My sweet lord (krishna krishna)
My lord (hare hare)
Hm, hm (gurur brahma)
Hm, hm (gurur vishnu)
Hm, hm (gurur devo)
Hm, hm (maheshwara)
My sweet lord (gurur sakshaat)
My sweet lord (parabrahma)
My, my, my lord (tasmayi shree)
My, my, my, my lord (guruve namah)
My sweet lord (hare rama)

[fade:]

(hare krishna)
My sweet lord (hare krishna)
My sweet lord (krishna krishna)
My lord (hare hare)

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I might add that while many of the great early Beatles songs were simple, three-chord tunes, they grew over the years. Their creativity was amazing. This talk about "Help!" being about a prostitute is just lunatic ravings. That makes as much sense as saying "Happy Birthday to You" is about using heroin.

The most recorded song of all time according to some sources, is "Yesterday", Paul McCartney's melodious lament about a girlfriend leaving.

 

[DHK]

I might add that while many of the great early Beatles songs were simple, three-chord tunes, they grew over the years. Their creativity was amazing. This talk about "Help!" being about a prostitute is just lunatic ravings. That makes as much sense as saying "Happy Birthday to You" is about using heroin.

The problem as I see it is that I gave you a reasonable interpretation of the song quoting from different parts of it. Some sentimental person on the board blithely says: 'Oh it is a sincere cry to God,' or some nonsense to that effect. He hated God and never cried out to God.
What you and others have not done is given any rebuttal to the interpretation to what I have given, only a snide remark as you gave above. That doesn't cut it. True, she may not have been a prostitute. But remeber that Lennon said that he lived for sex. The song says that the door to the room was open. The song says that there was someone present. His cry for help was to someone in the house to come into the bedroom through the open door. What else would you conclude? Why don't others on this board offer their interpretation of the song? Is it because you all are too sentimental, emotional, and are afraid that I am right and you are wrong? Do snide remarks get you further than actual intelligent debate?
DHK

 

[Agnus_Dei]

I’ve read bits and pieces of this thread and like all fundy Baptists, all claim to have the “correct” interpretation, which ever fits their agenda.

I for one love the Beatles, growing up those songs as well as other non-Beatle songs helped me cope through a childhood chock full of abuse. I was able to listen to a song and have it speak to me, which allowed me to cop through a trial I was going through at that moment.

It’s also interesting to note that a U2 Rock concert is what finally led me to commit my life to Christ, even though I was “saved” at an early age…

Blessings

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Using DHK's logic, let's examine the hymn, "Leaning on the Everlasting Arms", as it is clearly about an addiction and reliance on firearms to the point of crime and murder.

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What a fellowship, what a joy divine,
leaning on the everlasting arms;

Analysis: Leaning on, obviously refers to a dependency or addiction.
What is it the songwriter is addicted to? He tells us... arms. Guns, weapons, firearms.

what a blessedness, what a peace is mine,
leaning on the everlasting arms.

Analysis: Here we see where this unhealthy addiction leads. To peacefulness.
The peacefulness of death. Death caused by the writers use of the arms to kill
either himself or others.

Leaning, leaning,
safe and secure from all alarms;

Analysis: Now the writer is talking about using the firearms to disable
an alarm system. Obviously he plans to commit armed robbery, and doesn't
want the alarm to be able to call the police, hence he is "safe and secure
from all alarms".

leaning, leaning,
leaning on the everlasting arms.

Analysis: Finally here we see the repetitiveness of an addicted mind. Surely the writer has mental issues, and hates God given his willingness to rob, kill and commit suicide.

 

[Petra-O IX]

Playing those Mind Games

Using DHK's logic, let's examine the hymn, "Leaning on the Everlasting Arms", as it is clearly about an addiction and reliance on firearms to the point of crime and murder.

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What a fellowship, what a joy divine,
leaning on the everlasting arms;

Analysis: Leaning on, obviously refers to a dependency or addiction.
What is it the songwriter is addicted to? He tells us... arms. Guns, weapons, firearms.

what a blessedness, what a peace is mine,
leaning on the everlasting arms.

Analysis: Here we see where this unhealthy addiction leads. To peacefulness.
The peacefulness of death. Death caused by the writers use of the arms to kill
either himself or others.

Leaning, leaning,
safe and secure from all alarms;

Analysis: Now the writer is talking about using the firearms to disable
an alarm system. Obviously he plans to commit armed robbery, and doesn't
want the alarm to be able to call the police, hence he is "safe and secure
from all alarms".

leaning, leaning,
leaning on the everlasting arms.

Analysis: Finally here we see the repetitiveness of an addicted mind. Surely the writer has mental issues, and hates God given his willingness to rob, kill and commit suicide.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Very Funny MP, at this point I am beginning to think that you and DHK are playing mind games with the rest of us.