The Bergdahl boomerang: GOP lawmakers who long urged a rescue now sour on the idea

[Crabtownboy]

The topic of this thread was established by you, and now you attempt to derail it. I can only conclude that your claims regarding the original topic cannot be backed up and so you choose to move on to another subject. Perhaps you'd like to contact the moderators, given they are so helpful to you, and close the thread?

How is it I knew you would not answer the question I ask? You fed the issue that took this thread off topic, and now accuse others. ROFL

Anyway, I bet you were one who condemned Kerry for his supposed flip-flop way back when, but now support the flip-flopping GOP politicians.

I did not stake a position in the OP, just said the article shows that no matter what Obama does there are many who will condemn him regardless. Do you agree?

 

[Revmitchell]

And let how many women die from cancer and other illnesses that could have been avoided?

How many such deaths are too many Rev.?

See this is why you have no credibility on this board. You build false premises like this.


1. It is false that PP is the only place where women can obtain these.

2. It is false that if there were no PP then women would find it difficult to find places to obtain these services.

What is true:

1. PP's primary purpose is abortion

2. More than 16 % of their services go to abortions.

2. If all PP facilities were to close today women would still be able to find places for the services that PP rarely offers and usually refers out to other clinics.

So if you want to gain some credibility back you need to start with those truths.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Crabtownboy has never refuted the Progressive Christianity's position of denying the atonement of the crucifixion. He praised the people who wrote it and preached it.

He likes to play a victim, but he puts error up on this board all the time, then lies and switches topics when called. He has not answered a question honestly or rationally since he's been here. He calls people racist, homophobic, sexist, hating the poor, offers no proof, in fact asks us for proof we are not.

If he ain't a troll, I don't know what is. I stand by that. If he can call us the names he does, he should expect the "troll" moniker, and if the moderators are going to let him call us the names, they should stop protecting this atheist, christ-denying, Christian-hating troll.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Crabtownboy has never refuted the Progressive Christianity's position of denying the atonement of the crucifixion. He praised the people who wrote it and preached it.

What do you mean by "atonement of the crucifixion?"

I hold that Christ was our sacrifice and it is through him that salvation and God's loving grace that salvation is available to us.

He likes to play a victim, but he puts error up on this board all the time, then lies and switches topics when called. He has not answered a question honestly or rationally since he's been here. He calls people racist, homophobic, sexist, hating the poor, offers no proof, in fact asks us for proof we are not.

I really do not remember ever using the word homophobic.. But there are those who are not honest enough to own up to what they really feel. But I do believe there are others who are so unaware of themselves that they truly believe they do not fit any of these feelings, even though they do inside.

If he ain't a troll, I don't know what is. I stand by that. If he can call us the names he does, he should expect the "troll" moniker, and if the moderators are going to let him call us the names, they should stop protecting this atheist, christ-denying, Christian-hating troll.

I started on this BB hoping to find rational discussion. There are some on the board who will discuss rationally. Then there are others who ......................

 

[Crabtownboy]

See this is why you have no credibility on this board. You build false premises like this.


1. It is false that PP is the only place where women can obtain these.

2. It is false that if there were no PP then women would find it difficult to find places to obtain these services.

What is true:

1. PP's primary purpose is abortion

2. More than 16 % of their services go to abortions.

2. If all PP facilities were to close today women would still be able to find places for the services that PP rarely offers and usually refers out to other clinics.

So if you want to gain some credibility back you need to start with those truths.

Under current law there are other places they can have abortions. I am not in favor of closing all hospitals that perform abortions. Are you?

Frankly I am surprised that only 16% goes for abortions. That means 84% goes for other services, much higher than I thought.

You flatly state that women would find other places to find services. I believe that is an unsupportable stance. A nice idea, your opinion, but a real possibility in many cases.

So my premise is correct. Without these services there would be women who would go not diagnosed and would unnecessarily die.

So, again, how many deaths are justifiably to you in this regard? Why do you fear answer the question?

 

[Revmitchell]

Under current law there are other places they can have abortions. I am not in favor of closing all hospitals that perform abortions. Are you?

So my premise is correct. Without these services there would be women who would go not diagnosed and would unnecessarily die.

So, again, how many deaths are justifiably to you in this regard?

Once again, your premise is false. Your premise being that without PP women could not get those services. It lacks intellectual integrity.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Once again, your premise is false. Your premise being that without PP women could not get those services. It lacks intellectual integrity.

I did not make a flat statement, as you did. There are other services, mostly for fee services. Two problems; they would be overwhelmed in many instances and in most others charge fees that poor women could not afford. Let's say a PP center serves 1000 women a month. That means 160, according to your percentage, would have an abortion and 840 would use other services. The additional 840 women would overwhelm most other services, to say nothing of those in that group who could not afford to pay the fees involved with hospitals, doctor's offices, etc. The free clinic here, that I have worked at as a volunteer, would be completely overwhelmed if this were to happen here.

So women would die.

So, again, how many unnecessary deaths are acceptable to you? A simple question.

 

[Revmitchell]

I did not make a flat statement, as you did. There are other services, mostly for fee services. Two problems; they would be overwhelmed in many instances and in most others charge fees that poor women could not afford.

That is all false. And yes you did make a flat statement.

 

[Don]

You are off the topic. If you want to ask me and others, start a new thread.

This one is about GOP politicians telling Obama to do everything possible to free this fellow, and now they say we didn't mean what we said.

My only point is to show they will never say he did anything right. Hypocrites.





Please address the topic. Thanks.

You won't admit it's on topic because then you'd have to agree that the republicans are justified for not liking it. So totally on topic, and you know it.


Everything since then has been off topic....

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

If he ain't a troll, I don't know what is. I stand by that. If he can call us the names he does, he should expect the "troll" moniker, and if the moderators are going to let him call us the names, they should stop protecting this atheist, christ-denying, Christian-hating troll.

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It's time to put an end to the nonsense. He's a troll, no two ways about it, and he needs to go. Hear that, Mods??

 

[Revmitchell]

I foresee this thread closing and points being accrued if not out right banning.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I foresee this thread closing and points being accrued if not out right banning.

... of the wrong people. :BangHead:

 

[Crabtownboy]

Let's get back to the topic of the OP:

Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) chastised some members of his party Tuesday for their reaction to the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, saying they should stop acting like the prisoner swap President Barack Obama arranged was unprecedented.

"I'm a little bit disturbed by some of the Republicans out there who keep saying this has never happened before," Labrador said during an interview with the radio station 670 KBOI in Boise, Idaho. "That is not entirely true. If you look historically, at the end of any conflict, you have a swap of prisoners, and that happens. Usually our side will release people that are less than desirable in order to get some of our people back in these swaps. So I would suggest that anybody who's being hyper-critical about this, they should look at the history. This has happened before."

Obama has received a significant amount of opposition from conservatives for releasing five former members of the Taliban who were being held at Guantanamo Bay in exchange for Bergdahl, who was the United States' only known prisoner of war in Afghanistan. The five men will be under a travel ban in Qatar for a year.

Some of the most critical members of Congress were also the ones who have been pressing the Obama administration for months, if not years, to "do all it can" to bring Bergdahl home. Many Republicans are worried that releasing the detainees risks American lives.

But John Bellinger, who served as a national security adviser to President George W. Bush, said in a Fox News interview Tuesday that he believed Obama did the right thing in recovering Bergdahl. He noted that because the war in Afghanistan is winding down -- U.S. troops will be out by the end of 2016 -- the administration would have had to release the five detainees soon anyway.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/05/raul-labrador-bowe-bergdahl_n_5452401.html

 

[Squire Robertsson]

If I use the definition y'all want me to use, I'd have to close down the CvA forum, where folks go at each other with hammers and tongs. Then, the Politics Forum would be closed soon after.

This number have you read my last email to you?

It's time to put an end to the nonsense. He's a troll, no two ways about it, and he needs to go. Hear that, Mods??