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Wasn’t Owen a Covenant Calvinist and a Puritan which revolted (and I use that word deliberately to denote a separation from Anglican theology, Book of CommonPrayer High Church types). Today I see Anglicans as almost to emulating Roman Catholicism, not Calvinist Reformists.
Yes. Most of those verses you list are the same ones Owen used. I think everyone agrees on that. People do differ on how it comes about that we come and to what extent it is predestined and directly caused by God. Owen wrote that the greatest offense men are capable of is refusing salvation. (And don't ask me how you can refuse irresistible grace. That's just what he said, so don't tell Silverhair).
Last I heard people were saying his girlfriend was a medicine woman or a witch.
I think the Church of England or Anglican church is almost dead. A few years ago we did a Bible study using an Anglican named Rico Tice who had a book about witnessing. He was OK but I see where he has since left the Anglican church over gay issues.
Yes. He said your own free will is your biggest problem. And, once the Holy Spirit works on you you'll come by your free will because then you will see the value of doing so and have a true understanding of your sinful state. Owen also said Christ cannot benefit you if you don't believe. And he used Revelation 3:20 as Christ standing at the door of your heart and knocking in the context of salvation, as did almost all the other Puritan preachers. Edwards has a sermon saying to his people that Christ has died, he has provided everything you need and made everything ready for you and all that is needed is your consent. Go figure.
John Owen was the foremost defender of high Calvinism in the second half of the 1600's. So I want you to go write that last sentence 300 times on the blackboard and then report back - or forget about recess.
Why not discuss Arthur Pink, MLJ, Spurgeon, Rutherford, George Whitfield… anybody other than Owen. All identified as Calvinists but contributed bigly to the framework.
Arrrr, gotta love spell checker… what do I gotta do…
I know. I was just giving you a hard time. I used to listen to him on the way home from work on the car radio. His voice had like a ring to it. I remember him saying that Calvinism was "wine and cheese theology", which of course is wrong. It's more like craft beer, cigars, tattoos, and beards.
I could do MLJ and Spurgeon. I haven't read the other guys enough. Besides, they are always quoting - Owen. By the way, if you are interested in an informal look at the Puritans and like MLJ, his book called "The Puritans" is excellent. And the book is important because he discusses the rediscovery of their writings and the resurgence of interest in them which lead to the modern comeback of Calvinism.
Are you saying that Calvinists are staring up trouble… say at SBC’s?
So. I was talking to Owen and he said I should use someone else once in a while. So here's Edwards on the way our will works:
Calvinists are taking over the SBC, mainly because the seminaries are cranking out Calvinist graduates.
