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The Bible Way of Salvation

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AustinC

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MB said:
That may be true of your God but my God says repent of perish. I'd rather stay with what God has said rather than what you say.
Mat_3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mar_6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Luk_13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk_13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Act_3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall
come from the presence of the Lord;
Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act_26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
MB
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There is no doubt that those God redeems will repent.
Again the issue is what is the cauae and the affect?
1) Human repentance is the cause and God saving is the effect.
2) God making alive is the cause and human repentance is the effect.

Neither group denies the reconciliation of sinners to God. The disagreement is really about cause and effect. This is why we ask if a view is man-centered or God-centered.
 
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Yeshua1

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MB said:
That may be true of your God but my God says repent of perish. I'd rather stay with what God has said rather than what you say.
Mat_3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mar_6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Luk_13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk_13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Act_3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall
come from the presence of the Lord;
Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act_26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
MB
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Can lost sinners do godly repentance in and by themselves, apart form the Holy Spirit?
 
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Yeshua1

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AustinC said:
There is no doubt that those God redeems will repent.
Again the issue is what is the cauae and the affect?
1) Human repentance is the cause and God saving is the effect.
2) God making alive is the cause and human repentance is the effect.

Neither group denies the reconciliation of sinners to God. The disagreement is really about cause and effect. This is why we ask if a view is man-centered or God-centered.
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Agreed, as its either all of God, or God somehow requires us to co assist Him to save us!
 
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Yeshua1

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MB said:
The Bible says repentance has been granted to the Gentiles. Yes they are suppose to repent.
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Do Jews have to repent then also? is that the work of the Holy Spirit , enabling us to repent and believe on Lord jesus?
 
agedman

agedman

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MB said:
The Bible says repentance has been granted to the Gentiles. Yes they are suppose to repent.
MB
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Any Gentile redeemed by the Savior has repented.

This thinking that one must first repent and then is saved is wrongly presented.

Repentance and salvation cannot be separated, one does not come before the other unless one is writing. For words must have a place or sequence when action does not.

For example, it is said that a bomb exploding causes destruction. However, when does destruction begin? When the bomb explodes, not before. The beginning of destruction is the explosion or destruction of the bomb.. What caused the explosion? The ignition.

What caused the repentance and salvation? The unmerited (Grace) of God. (Ignition)
 
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MB

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agedman said:
Any Gentile redeemed by the Savior has repented.

This thinking that one must first repent and then is saved is wrongly presented.

Repentance and salvation cannot be separated, one does not come before the other unless one is writing. For words must have a place or sequence when action does not.

For example, it is said that a bomb exploding causes destruction. However, when does destruction begin? When the bomb explodes, not before. The beginning of destruction is the explosion or destruction of the bomb.. What caused the explosion? The ignition.

What caused the repentance and salvation? The unmerited (Grace) of God. (Ignition)
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It's a direct commandment of Christ.
Luk_13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

The only way you can perish is by not being saved. It is only reasonable to assume that not repenting means men are not saved.. Do you believe that you can loose your Salvation? Salvation is always saved bu,t if one hasn't repented they weren't saved at all..
MB
 
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agedman

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MB said:
It's a direct commandment of Christ.
Luk_13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

The only way you can perish is by not being saved. It is only reasonable to assume that not repenting means men are not saved.. Do you believe that you can loose your Salvation? Salvation is always saved bu,t if one hasn't repented they weren't saved at all..
MB
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I would agree, for how can one be saved who continues in the manner of rejecting as the Scripture states, by their fruit you will know them.

What I suggest is that Godly repentance and salvation cannot be separated. The acknowledgment of the Jesus Christ as Lord is repentance manifested in belief.

Why would anyone assign an obligation of a to do/before to Godly repentance and salvation? They are inseparable. Cannot have one and the other not be there, too.
 
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Yeshua1

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MB said:
It's a direct commandment of Christ.
Luk_13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

The only way you can perish is by not being saved. It is only reasonable to assume that not repenting means men are not saved.. Do you believe that you can loose your Salvation? Salvation is always saved bu,t if one hasn't repented they weren't saved at all..
MB
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Both are produced by the Holy Spirit, as natural man and lost sinners can do neither in and by themselves!
 
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MB

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Yeshua1 said:
Both are produced by the Holy Spirit, as natural man and lost sinners can do neither in and by themselves!
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Prove what you claim. I for one don't believe you because you are incapable to prove your theories.
MB
 
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Yeshua1

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MB said:
Prove what you claim. I for one don't believe you because you are incapable to prove your theories.
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Natural man, lost sinners, cannot receive the truths of the scriptures in and by themselves per paul, correct?
 
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MB

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Yeshua1 said:
EVERY "religion" of mankind has us trying to save ourselves, to merit it by good works, but real salvation is by grace alone thru faith alone!
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Not true. Prove your opinion I know you can"t When you can't prove it this alone shows your ignorance.
MB
 
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Yeshua1

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MB said:
Not true. Prove your opinion I know you can"t When you can't prove it this alone shows your ignorance.
MB
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You deny that there are ONLY 2 "religions", saved by Grace of Grace alone, or by our good works?
 
DaveXR650

DaveXR650

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That is true but I will say that some folks believe that "saved by grace" refers strictly to Jesus sacrificial death for our sins. They believe the the requirements of faith or belief and repentance are up to the person who wants to get saved. They believe that we all have a responsibility to come to Christ and have been given the ability to do this. I do not agree that this is the best way to explain how a person gets saved but I do not think that folks who think this way are guilty of espousing salvation by good works.
 
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