The Biblical Doctrine of Divorce

[donnA]

If it is Biblical it must be demonstrated to be Biblical. I find no Biblical evidence for any such doctrine. In fact I find the exact opposite.

Mark 10:11-12 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

There is the Biblical doctrine of divorce and remarriage.
Remarriage after divorce and you are an adulterer or adultress. There is no grounds for it.

Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
--There is the Biblical doctrine of divorce. What God has joined together let no man put asunder.

Care to argue with the Lord Jesus Christ? Those are His Words, and I find them quite clear and straight forwardd.

If the bible talks about divorce, then there is a teaching(doctrine) about divorce there to be learned, whichever way you think it teaches, it is there. Therefore there is a biblical doctrine concerning divorce.

 

[superwoman8977]

Basically whats being said here is that I need to stick with my husband although he is living with another woman and he clearly doesnt want me. Well I am not going to. I put up with the lying and the cheating and the affairs I prayed for my marriage and was faithful for the entire almost 7 years of it. God has something better out there for me and I pray it is a man who respects and understands me and loves with me like he loves Christ. When you are looking at another 50 years with a man who all he can do is lie and cheat you would want out to biblical or not.

 

[DHK]

Sin is sin, but not all sin is the same. Do I need to show that biblically? I assume you already know this.

1John 3:4 Sin is a transgression of the law.
All sin is a transgression of the law. In God's sight all sin is the same. It is a transgression of the law. One transgression is equal to another. When one breaks the law it doesn't really matter what law he breaks, he breaks the law. He transgresses the law.

The consequences of breaking different laws may be different. But it is the law that it is broken, and that is what makes it sin.

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law and offend in one point he is guilty of breaking all the law" (James 2:10).
Sin is sin. All sin is the same. Some sin may have more serious consequences than others.

 

[Brother Shane]

Believe it then. The definition of fornication is "illicit sex before marriage," as was the case when Joseph was going to put away Mary. He thought that Mary had committed "fornication" while they were still betthrothed. This was the case for fornication. They had not come together yet as man and wife in an official wedding ceremony. They were betrothed. "Exvept for fornication," can only be applied before marriage. It was a Jewish custom to be betrothed for about a year before marriage. If during that time the wife was found unfaithful the marriage contract was anulled. Divorce was permitted. That was before they were married. Fornication was illicit sex before marriage. That is what Christ was talking about.
He does not use the word adultery--illicit sex after marriage.

I would like to make a correction. Earlier, I used "fornication" as a term for "all forms of sexual immorality". I new that fornication was sex out of wedlock, but in a rush to post, did not use it as such. If I misled someone, I am terribly sorry and offer up an apology. Please do analyze the two DIFFERENT sins 1) fornication and 2) adultery

 

[Brother Shane]

If the bible talks about divorce, then there is a teaching(doctrine) about divorce there to be learned, whichever way you think it teaches, it is there. Therefore there is a biblical doctrine concerning divorce.

Then believe it and quit arguing over the word "doctrine".

 

[DHK]

If the bible talks about divorce, then there is a teaching(doctrine) about divorce there to be learned, whichever way you think it teaches, it is there. Therefore there is a biblical doctrine concerning divorce.

Quite true. And the Biblical teaching is that except for death there is no cause for divorce.

 

[donnA]

Sorry to break up the "peace" Ann and Donna, but pinoybaptist and DHK have brought truth to this thread once and for all. raying:

What 'truth' would that be? That the bible does not mention divorce? As I ahve said, more then once now. If the bible mentions divorce, then there must be a teaching (ie doctrine) there to be learned, therefore since it does mention divorce, the bible does indeed have a doctrine on divorce. Even you have been siting this very doctrine. Therefore, those denying thers a doctrine in the bible about divorce do not bring 'truth' to this topic.

 

[Brother Shane]

What 'truth' would that be? That the bible does not mention divorce? As I ahve said, more then once now. If the bible mentions divorce, then there must be a teaching (ie doctrine) there to be learned, therefore since it does mention divorce, the bible does indeed have a doctrine on divorce. Even you have been siting this very doctrine. Therefore, those denying thers a doctrine in the bible about divorce do not bring 'truth' to this topic.

Fortunately, I'm not hooked on the word "doctrine" as you are. I was not referring to that one post, Donna. Please -- excuse me for not making that absolutely 100% crystal clear for you.

 

[donnA]

Basically whats being said here is that I need to stick with my husband although he is living with another woman and he clearly doesnt want me. Well I am not going to. I put up with the lying and the cheating and the affairs I prayed for my marriage and was faithful for the entire almost 7 years of it. God has something better out there for me and I pray it is a man who respects and understands me and loves with me like he loves Christ. When you are looking at another 50 years with a man who all he can do is lie and cheat you would want out to biblical or not.

What I want to know is how can you stick with a man who says he does nto want you? How is one supose to force a man to allow his wife to stick to him, while he does not want her, and has left her life and made house with another woman. How do you stick with a man like this?

 

[donnA]

Then believe it and quit arguing over the word "doctrine".

I'm not the one diagreeing DHK is. I do beleive there is a biblcal doctrine concerning divorce.
And, you being 17, have no right to back talk me an adult, or weren't you taught manners.

 

[donnA]

Quite true. And the Biblical teaching is that except for death there is no cause for divorce.

Yet in your earlier post you denied such a doctrine exsited, saying there was no biblical doctrine of divorce.

 

[DHK]

Basically whats being said here is that I need to stick with my husband although he is living with another woman and he clearly doesnt want me. Well I am not going to. I put up with the lying and the cheating and the affairs I prayed for my marriage and was faithful for the entire almost 7 years of it. God has something better out there for me and I pray it is a man who respects and understands me and loves with me like he loves Christ. When you are looking at another 50 years with a man who all he can do is lie and cheat you would want out to biblical or not.

There are and have been many women in your situation.
There is never any cause for divorce.
If a husband physically abuses his wife there is a cause for separation, not divorce. I would advise such a woman to find another place to live, for her own (and her own children's sake). But she would still be married.

Divorce is a lifelong proposition. You make that commitment at the altar. You know what you are getting into at that time, or should. A Godly life is the only way to win back your husband.

1 Peter 3:1-6 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

 

[nunatak]

I say that one's age has no bearing on our right to post on these forums. We all have as much right to post here regardless of our age or outlook. IMO.

 

[DHK]

Yet in your earlier post you denied such a doctrine exsited, saying there was no biblical doctrine of divorce.

Yes, I said that. I was referring to: there is no Biblical doctrine that "advocates" divorce. If you read the posts before and after that is the context you will find that it was written in.

 

[nunatak]

I don't mean to be flippant, but even if divorce is a sin, I am glad Christ's death paid for the penalty.

 

[DHK]

What I want to know is how can you stick with a man who says he does nto want you? How is one supose to force a man to allow his wife to stick to him, while he does not want her, and has left her life and made house with another woman. How do you stick with a man like this?

No, if he leaves he leaves. You can't force a man to do anything. In that case you remain quietly single and simply pray for your husband. Seek not another husband. There is nothing wrong with being single.

 

[DHK]

I don't mean to be flippant, but even if divorce is a sin, I am glad Christ's death paid for the penalty.

That also is quite true. Christ forgives all sin. But as Christians we need not add one sin to another, and then keep on saying: "God forgive me of this one too."
That is not the mark of a true Christian.

 

[donnA]

No, if he leaves he leaves. You can't force a man to do anything. In that case you remain quietly single and simply pray for your husband. Seek not another husband. There is nothing wrong with being single.

I didn't say there was.

 

[LadyEagle]

So, God was wrong then when he divorced Israel for adultery. OK.

"'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."
Leviticus 20:10 (NIV).

So, if we were living under OT law, there would be no problem with DHK's position because all adulterers and adulteresses would already be dead and thus, no divorce. Pretty clear-cut. There would be a huge population decrease in America, let alone in the Church.

 

[DHK]

So, God was wrong then when he divorced Israel for adultery. OK.

You will have to be more specific than that.