The Biblical teaching of Calvinism

[Van]

You make claims for Calvintism.

Who on this thread made those arguments you claim to refute?
Do you deny the saved are God's elect? I do not think so.
1 Timothy 2:5-6, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." Are not the "all" all those whom Christ mediates? Are they not God's elect?

Again, I am not a Calvinist. But where I think a Calvinist is mistaken in his/her thinking I would point out how I understand it differently.

I have no idea what your claim to be, but your posts are without merit.
Of course the "all" includes those chosen for salvation, but it also includes those not chosen for salvation, and that is the point you are trying to obfuscate.
Calvinism is as bogus as a three dollar bill. And your view of "conditional election" is also as bogus as a three dollar bill. OTOH, my view is completely supported by all scripture. God chooses individuals through faith in the truth, for example.

 

[Iconoclast]

I have no idea what your claim to be, but your posts are without merit.
Of course the "all" includes those chosen for salvation, but it also includes those not chosen for salvation, and that is the point you are trying to obfuscate.
Calvinism is as bogus as a three dollar bill. And your view of "conditional election" is also as bogus as a three dollar bill. OTOH, my view is completely supported by all scripture. God chooses individuals through faith in the truth, for example.

Your denial of scripture is still wrong today as it has been wrong for years now.
Election is God's love to His elect,before time was.God draws those persons to Himself savingly ,He is not willing that any perish .
For whatever reason you oppose yourself and the truth of God.
You can go start your own thread on your fantasy theology and see if any are eager to hear you repeat your ideas.

 

[Van]

Your denial of scripture is still wrong today as it has been wrong for years now.
Election is God's love to His elect,before time was.God draws those persons to Himself savingly ,He is not willing that any perish .
For whatever reason you oppose yourself and the truth of God.
You can go start your own thread on your fantasy theology and see if any are eager to hear you repeat your ideas.

LOL, note absolutely no scripture has been "denied."
Election is God's choice, no more and no less.
I provided specific scriptures which Calvinism denies. Have these been addressed? Nope!!

 

[Iconoclast]

LOL, note absolutely no scripture has been "denied."
Election is God's choice, no more and no less.
I provided specific scriptures which Calvinism denies. Have these been addressed? Nope!!

Your verses are off topic.
You use them as a platform to say what you want.
You have repeated the same things over and over.
You have been answered over and over
Start your own thread.
If anyone wants to play ring around the rosey they will entertain your ideas.
People are not chosen now.
They were already chosen.
If you read the links you would know this by now.
No....I do not need you to respond with your ideas.We have seen them
Blah, blah,credited our faith,choose his redeemer,the poor,rich in faith,blah, blah
Start a new thread,see if any like it.

 

[Iconoclast]

For those who are God's elect and believe, irresstable and effectual grace can be argued. Furthermore those who resist God's grace, Hebrews 10:29, it can be further argued they fail to comprehend it, John 1:5, John 3:19-20. And so do not understand it to believe according to irrestable grace, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4.

Yes....in Acts 7:51 we see that.
The fall has left men dead in sin,unable to process biblical salvation in a saving way.
That is why God in mercy made salvation actual.

 

[37818]

. . . the "all" includes those chosen for salvation, but it also includes those not chosen for salvation, . . .

Why? How is Jesus the ransom of those who perish? Re: 1 Timothy 2:5-6.

 

[Iconoclast]

Why? How is Jesus the ransom of those who perish? Re: 1 Timothy 2:5-6.

Acts14:6 says there is no other name under heaven whereby we can be saved.
The reason is there is no other God/man who is sinless,
No other High Priest.
No other mediator.
No other Covenant surety.

Anyone who actually is saved, is saved by Jesus.

There is no.other.
Salvation,reconciliation,ransom,redemption, are fully accomplished by this once for all time sacrifice ....it was actual, not potential.
There is no other sacrifice.

 

[Van]

Why? How is Jesus the ransom of those who perish? Re: 1 Timothy 2:5-6.

Asked and answered many times. Obfuscation on display...

 

[Van]

According to Calvinism, it should not be harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. So, Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25, and Luke 18:25 need to be rewritten to read it is no more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than for a poor man. (Since both are compelled by irresistible grace.)

According to Calvinism, Jesus did not need to speak in parables to control the timing of His revelation, since everyone He spoke to was not able to seek God or trust in Christ. So Matthew 13:11-15 need to be rewritten to read Jesus did not need to speak in parables since everyone was unable to understand the milk of the gospel.

According to Calvinism, God did not need to harden the hearts of unbelieving Jews, because their hearts had already been hardened due to the Fall. So Romans 11:7 needs to be rewritten to read "were already hardened."

According to Calvinism, God does not love the world (humankind) but only His elect. So John 3:16 needs to be rewritten to say "For God so loved the elect, He gave His ...."

According to Calvinism, Christ did not lay His life down as a ransom for all, but only for the elect. So 1 Timothy 2:6 needs to be rewritten to say He laid down His life for all the elect.

According to Calvinism, God does not desire all people to be saved, so 1 Timothy 2:4 needs to be rewritten to say God desires all the elect to be saved.

According to Calvinism, Christ did not purchase those to be destroyed, but only the elect, so 2 Peter 2:1 needs to be rewritten to say the Master had not bought those heading for destruction.

And finality, those that have noticed Calvinism is false doctrine, can be ignored, because false teachers cannot hinder irresistible grace. So once again 2 Peter 2:1 needs to be rewritten to say false teachers cannot introduce destructive heresies.

Any doctrine that rewrites or redefines God's inspired word should not be tolerated

 

[Iconoclast]

According to Calvinism, it should not be harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. So, Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25, and Luke 18:25 need to be rewritten to read it is no more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than for a poor man. (Since both are compelled by irresistible grace.)

According to Calvinism, Jesus did not need to speak in parables to control the timing of His revelation, since everyone He spoke to was not able to seek God or trust in Christ. So Matthew 13:11-15 need to be rewritten to read Jesus did not need to speak in parables since everyone was unable to understand the milk of the gospel.

According to Calvinism, God did not need to harden the hearts of unbelieving Jews, because their hearts had already been hardened due to the Fall. So Romans 11:7 needs to be rewritten to read "were already hardened."

According to Calvinism, God does not love the world (humankind) but only His elect. So John 3:16 needs to be rewritten to say "For God so loved the elect, He gave His ...."

According to Calvinism, Christ did not lay His life down as a ransom for all, but only for the elect. So 1 Timothy 2:6 needs to be rewritten to say He laid down His life for all the elect.

According to Calvinism, God does not desire all people to be saved, so 1 Timothy 2:4 needs to be rewritten to say God desires all the elect to be saved.

According to Calvinism, Christ did not purchase those to be destroyed, but only the elect, so 2 Peter 2:1 needs to be rewritten to say the Master had not bought those heading for destruction.

And finality, those that have noticed Calvinism is false doctrine, can be ignored, because false teachers cannot hinder irresistible grace. So once again 2 Peter 2:1 needs to be rewritten to say false teachers cannot introduce destructive heresies.

Any doctrine that rewrites or redefines God's inspired word should not be tolerated

You are spamming this thread by repeating unbiblical ideas, that have been answered many times;

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You quote no Calvinists,so why would we assume any Calvinist would say any of that?

You know Van, we could be moving forward and understanding more about the great works God is doing rather than repeating strange made up ideas.

 

[Scott Downey]

Acts14:6 says there is no other name under heaven whereby we can be saved.
The reason is there is no other God/man who is sinless,
No other High Priest.
No other mediator.
No other Covenant surety.

Anyone who actually is saved, is saved by Jesus.

There is no.other.
Salvation,reconciliation,ransom,redemption, are fully accomplished by this once for all time sacrifice ....it was actual, not potential.
There is no other sacrifice.

Acts 4:12 NKJV;NIV;KJV;ESV - Nor is there salvation in any other, - Bible Gateway
Acts 4:12
The word is stronger than 'can', the scripture uses 'must' be saved.
As in the sheep must be saved. This is an imperative, God is not willing that any of the sheep be lost.

12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

That we there are the sheep, and also the other sheep HE has and will be brought by Him to form one flock.
John 10
15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

 

[Iconoclast]

Acts 4:12 NKJV;NIV;KJV;ESV - Nor is there salvation in any other, - Bible Gateway
Acts 4:12
The word is stronger than 'can', the scripture uses 'must' be saved.
As in the sheep must be saved. This is an imperative, God is not willing that any of the sheep be lost.

12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

That we there are the sheep, and also the other sheep HE has and will be brought by Him to form one flock.
John 10
15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Hello Scott,
Thank you for this solid post.
So many verses combine to form an undeniable picture of God's love for His covenant children.
Many ignore that we serve a covenant making and Keeping God.
Anything less than this God is an idol of the imagination

 

[Van]

You are spamming this thread. SNIP

I am presenting specific biblical references demonstrating Calvinism is unbiblical.
According to Calvinism, it should not be harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. So, Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25, and Luke 18:25 need to be rewritten to read it is no more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than for a poor man. (Since both are compelled by irresistible grace.)

According to Calvinism, Jesus did not need to speak in parables to control the timing of His revelation, since everyone He spoke to was not able to seek God or trust in Christ. So Matthew 13:11-15 need to be rewritten to read Jesus did not need to speak in parables since everyone was unable to understand the milk of the gospel.

According to Calvinism, God did not need to harden the hearts of unbelieving Jews, because their hearts had already been hardened due to the Fall. So Romans 11:7 needs to be rewritten to read "were already hardened."

According to Calvinism, God does not love the world (humankind) but only His elect. So John 3:16 needs to be rewritten to say "For God so loved the elect, He gave His ...."

According to Calvinism, Christ did not lay His life down as a ransom for all, but only for the elect. So 1 Timothy 2:6 needs to be rewritten to say He laid down His life for all the elect.

According to Calvinism, God does not desire all people to be saved, so 1 Timothy 2:4 needs to be rewritten to say God desires all the elect to be saved.

According to Calvinism, Christ did not purchase those to be destroyed, but only the elect, so 2 Peter 2:1 needs to be rewritten to say the Master had not bought those heading for destruction.

And finality, those that have noticed Calvinism is false doctrine, can be ignored, because false teachers cannot hinder irresistible grace. So once again 2 Peter 2:1 needs to be rewritten to say false teachers cannot introduce destructive heresies.

Any doctrine that rewrites or redefines God's inspired word should not be tolerated

 

[Iconoclast]

I am presenting specific biblical references demonstrating Calvinism is unbiblical.
According to Calvinism, it should not be harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. So, Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25, and Luke 18:25 need to be rewritten to read it is no more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than for a poor man. (Since both are compelled by irresistible grace.)

According to Calvinism, Jesus did not need to speak in parables to control the timing of His revelation, since everyone He spoke to was not able to seek God or trust in Christ. So Matthew 13:11-15 need to be rewritten to read Jesus did not need to speak in parables since everyone was unable to understand the milk of the gospel.

According to Calvinism, God did not need to harden the hearts of unbelieving Jews, because their hearts had already been hardened due to the Fall. So Romans 11:7 needs to be rewritten to read "were already hardened."

According to Calvinism, God does not love the world (humankind) but only His elect. So John 3:16 needs to be rewritten to say "For God so loved the elect, He gave His ...."

According to Calvinism, Christ did not lay His life down as a ransom for all, but only for the elect. So 1 Timothy 2:6 needs to be rewritten to say He laid down His life for all the elect.

According to Calvinism, God does not desire all people to be saved, so 1 Timothy 2:4 needs to be rewritten to say God desires all the elect to be saved.

According to Calvinism, Christ did not purchase those to be destroyed, but only the elect, so 2 Peter 2:1 needs to be rewritten to say the Master had not bought those heading for destruction.

And finality, those that have noticed Calvinism is false doctrine, can be ignored, because false teachers cannot hinder irresistible grace. So once again 2 Peter 2:1 needs to be rewritten to say false teachers cannot introduce destructive heresies.

Any doctrine that rewrites or redefines God's inspired word should not be tolerated

posting this three times does not change it.
According to Calvinism,
According to Calvinism,
According to Calvinism,
According to Calvinism,
According to Calvinism,
According to Calvinism,
According to Calvinism,
You quote no Calvinists,so why would we assume any Calvinist would say any of that?

 

[Van]

Note that no Calvinist has explained why Calvinism needs to rewrite scripture or redefine the meaning of vague words and phrases. All they have is the logical fallacy of personal disparagement.

I am presenting specific biblical references demonstrating Calvinism is unbiblical.
According to Calvinism, it should not be harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. So, Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25, and Luke 18:25 need to be rewritten to read it is no more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than for a poor man. (Since both are compelled by irresistible grace.)

According to Calvinism, Jesus did not need to speak in parables to control the timing of His revelation, since everyone He spoke to was not able to seek God or trust in Christ. So Matthew 13:11-15 need to be rewritten to read Jesus did not need to speak in parables since everyone was unable to understand the milk of the gospel.

According to Calvinism, God did not need to harden the hearts of unbelieving Jews, because their hearts had already been hardened due to the Fall. So Romans 11:7 needs to be rewritten to read "were already hardened."

According to Calvinism, God does not love the world (humankind) but only His elect. So John 3:16 needs to be rewritten to say "For God so loved the elect, He gave His ...."

According to Calvinism, Christ did not lay His life down as a ransom for all, but only for the elect. So 1 Timothy 2:6 needs to be rewritten to say He laid down His life for all the elect.

According to Calvinism, God does not desire all people to be saved, so 1 Timothy 2:4 needs to be rewritten to say God desires all the elect to be saved.

According to Calvinism, Christ did not purchase those to be destroyed, but only the elect, so 2 Peter 2:1 needs to be rewritten to say the Master had not bought those heading for destruction.

And finality, those that have noticed Calvinism is false doctrine, can be ignored, because false teachers cannot hinder irresistible grace. So once again 2 Peter 2:1 needs to be rewritten to say false teachers cannot introduce destructive heresies.

Any doctrine that rewrites or redefines God's inspired word should not be tolerated

 

[Scott Downey]

Hello Scott,
Thank you for this solid post.
So many verses combine to form an undeniable picture of God's love for His covenant children.
Many ignore that we serve a covenant making and Keeping God.
Anything less than this God is an idol of the imagination

More on God's grace towards the 'us', it was given to us, this grace-favor before time began for us to be in Christ-Jesus, same really as Ephesians 1:4 states of us being chosen in Him from before the foundation of the world...and this is wonderful, which Christian people should acknowledge with praises, and this is not according to our works, so had nothing to do with us doing anything good .

2 Timothy 1:8-10
New King James Version
Not Ashamed of the Gospel
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

 

[Scott Downey]

I have heard some people claim the above was only for Paul and Timothy, and apostles, anyone saying that is in a sorry state...

 

[Salty]

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