The Big, Huge Elephant in the Sanctuary with ALL of Us!

[Yeshua1]

That elephant isn't in our church and I don't know too many churches where it is in the sanctuary.

Why on earth would we tell gays they are not allowed into the church for any reason? That's silly.

You don't reach folks for Christ by shutting them out.

You also do not deny the Cross and Jesus though as many try to do, and tell them that God accepts both them and their life styles just as they are!

God sent jesus to die for us sinners, so that we would get saved, and also so that we could live worthy of that new calling!

 

[Zaac]

You also do not deny the Cross and Jesus though as many try to do, and tell them that God accepts both them and their life styles just as they are!

What does any of that have to do with this thread? The OP says

An elephant that represents allowing or not allowing gays [practicing, non repentant gays] into the church for any reason!

Who said anything about the church denying the Cross or telling them that God accepts them and their lifestyle?

You've already got homosexuals and bisexuals and other fornicators in your church who are members. Righteously judge them and let God handle the folks outside the church. Otherwise share the Gospel that saves and stop trying to win an issue argument.

God sent jesus to die for us sinners, so that we would get saved, and also so that we could live worthy of that new calling!

Sure did. And salvation demands that ALL of their sin, not just one, be forgiven. So why focus on one?

 

[Yeshua1]

What does any of that have to do with this thread? The OP says

Who said anything about the church denying the Cross or telling them that God accepts them and their lifestyle?

You've already got homosexuals and bisexuals and other fornicators in your church who are members. Righteously judge them and let God handle the folks outside the church. Otherwise share the Gospel that saves and stop trying to win an issue argument.



Sure did. And salvation demands that ALL of their sin, not just one, be forgiven. So why focus on one?

maybe because it is the one Sin that the church and ceratin members of it are trying to get us all to redefine it as no longer being sinful?

 

[Zaac]

maybe because it is the one Sin that the church and ceratin members of it are trying to get us all to redefine it as no longer being sinful?

That's not true. As I said before, you've got gossip, back biting, gluttony, immodesty and a host of other sins that the church tacitly have rendered unsinful.

Your problem, as usual, is that you want the world to agree with you about homosexuality.

You don't ever sound very concerned about these people's eternal souls. Only with convincing them that their homosexual offense is sinful.

Say you're successful. They die and still go to hell. What have you accomplished by focusing on one sin?

 

[Yeshua1]

That's not true. As I said before, you've got gossip, back biting, gluttony, immodesty and a host of other sins that the church tacitly have rendered unsinful.

Your problem, as usual, is that you want the world to agree with you about homosexuality.

You don't ever sound very concerned about these people's eternal souls. Only with convincing them that their homosexual offense is sinful.

Say you're successful. They die and still go to hell. What have you accomplished by focusing on one sin?

My main concern is that we are not telling those in such states the real Gospel, as the Lord jesus died to save them from that lifestyle, and that once they are saved by the Grace of God, are to be taught that it is not acceptable to go right back into that same lifestyle as before, as it does not fit who they are now in Christ!

Much of the modern church seems to be saying to them, getsaved and just keep on staying in that way of living, as God changed his mind on it being sinful now///

 

[Zaac]

My main concern is that we are not telling those in such states the real Gospel, as the Lord jesus died to save them from that lifestyle, and that once they are saved by the Grace of God, are to be taught that it is not acceptable to go right back into that same lifestyle as before, as it does not fit who they are now in Christ!

You haven't said much about the Gospel. All you seem to want to do is convince them that their homosexuality is wrong.

Much of the modern church seems to be saying to them, getsaved and just keep on staying in that way of living, as God changed his mind on it being sinful now///

But you seem to just be saying it's wrong , it's wrong , it's wrong and ain't telling them how to be saved if they aren't.

 

[GISMYS]

God loves "ALL" sinners but He hates their sin and sick sexual perversion is an abomination.BEWARE!!!

 

[GISMYS]

There is no question as to what God's Word has to say about sick sexual perversion==Romans 1:18-22==For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth [l]in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident [m]within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not [n]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools. Romans 1:24-31==24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for [p]a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed [q]forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is [r]unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in [t]their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, [v]haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

 

[Yeshua1]

You haven't said much about the Gospel. All you seem to want to do is convince them that their homosexuality is wrong.



But you seem to just be saying it's wrong , it's wrong , it's wrong and ain't telling them how to be saved if they aren't.

No, I am sayin that we tell them its wrong and sinful behaviopur. but that Jesus died in order to save them in and out from that!

 

[Yeshua1]

God loves "ALL" sinners but He hates their sin and sick sexual perversion is an abomination.BEWARE!!!

Seems that many in the Church seem to think that God changed His mind on this, without telling anyone!

 

[Zaac]

No, I am sayin that we tell them its wrong and sinful behaviopur. but that Jesus died in order to save them in and out from that!

Out from what? That one behavior or ALL of their sinful behavior?

 

[GISMYS]

Let us believers believe God's Word and not follow silly little man's ideas and opinion.===
Numbers 23:19 ►
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

 

[Yeshua1]

Out from what? That one behavior or ALL of their sinful behavior?

Does the Church on the whole in today culture still tell them to repent and stop that life style or not?

 

[GISMYS]

ALWAYS let God's Word be your guide not the ideas and opinions of little man.

 

[Zaac]

Does the Church on the whole in today culture still tell them to repent and stop that life style or not?

Part of the problem is that's ALL a lot of the church tells them. The "church" rarely broaches the subject of what they need to do to be forgiven of ALL their sin because, like you, so many are too busy trying to win the "homosexual sex is a sin" argument.

And why? Are you not clear about what God's word says? If you are, then stop with this foolishness over one sin and point them to Jesus and repentance for ALL of their sins.

 

[GISMYS]

Yes!!! Sick minded sexual perversion is a compound sin. Those living in sexual perversion are living in abomination and compound their sin by trying to deny the truth of God's word ==Romans 1:24-32==God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
==those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

 

[Zaac]

Yes!!! Sick minded sexual perversion is a compound sin. Those living in sexual perversion are living in abomination and compound their sin by trying to deny the truth of God's word ==Romans 1:24-32==God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
==those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Do you go to more hell for compound sin?

 

[GISMYS]

Who would try to deny the truth of God's Word in order to live in the abomination of sexual perversion???

 

[Zaac]

Who would try to deny the truth of God's Word in order to live in the abomination of sexual perversion???

If they are denying one truth, they are probably denying a lot of others. Point them to Christ and repentance of ALL of their sins, not just one.

 

[GISMYS]

Yes!! to be forgiven of sin we need to confess and repent not try to deny our sin is sin as sexual perverts do = thieves and killers do not try to say their sin is not sin but sexual perverts do!!=compound sin= do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. 1corinthians 6:9-11