The Big Lie :Treasongate

[Scott J]

Originally posted by ASLANSPAL:


Now that I know the source was Karl Rove, I would like to revise and extend my remarks. Rove is not a thug, he is a coward. He could have come clean long ago, saved millions in taxpayers' dollars and spared everyone a lot of agony.

Woops...

Now that the AP no less has said that Rove testified under oath that he learned the name from Novak and another reporter, I guess your theory falls apart... unless of course he lied under oath to protect himself from something that wasn't criminal to begin with

Of course that isn't under heard of....

BTW, the same AP article grudgingly acknowledges that Plame was no longer an undercover operative when Novak wrote his story.

This is nothing but a trophy hunt contrived by people who can agree on little else but hatred for Bush and conservatism.

 

[ASLANSPAL]

Today's big story is that Rove supposedly never gave Valerie Plame's name to Novak - but rather that Novak mentioned Plame was CIA and Rove said "yeah I heard that too," or something to that effect.

In fact, here's what Novak said in his first interview that we know of just after he leaked Plame's name in print:
Novak, in an interview, said his sources had come to him with the information. "I didn't dig it out, it was given to me," he said. "They thought it was significant, they gave me the name and I used it."
Read that again. I didn't dig it out, it was given to me - they gave me the name. That does not jibe with Rove's anonymous buddy telling the NYT that it was Novak who first brought up Plame as CIA and NOT Rove.

Not that any of this matters. Rove confirmed the identity of a CIA agent to Novak, he affirmatively outed that agent to TIME, and then he and the White House lied about it to the media and the American public for two years. But it is interesting to note that this new story from Rove's handlers totally contradicts what Novak himself said two years ago.

So who's lying - Novak or Rove?

PS Another possibility is that Rove wasn't one of the "two administration officials" who told Novak about Plame. In that case, we've got two more, and not one more, Bush administration traitor on the loose.

 

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by ASLANSPAL:
... So who's lying - Novak or Rove? ...

Hey, ASLANSPAL, at least this time you left room in your thinking for something other than the usual "Bush lied" line.

 

[Enoch]

Originally posted by Scott J:


This is nothing but a trophy hunt contrived by people who can agree on little else but hatred for Bush and conservatism.

Exactly!

 

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by Enoch:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:


This is nothing but a trophy hunt contrived by people who can agree on little else but hatred for Bush and conservatism.

Exactly! </font>[/QUOTE]You're absolutely correct!

 

[poncho]

Originally posted by Dragoon68:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Enoch:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:


This is nothing but a trophy hunt contrived by people who can agree on little else but hatred for Bush and conservatism.

Exactly! </font>[/QUOTE]You're absolutely correct! </font>[/QUOTE]

Conservatism. What exactly is your definition of conservatism? I think Bush can be accused of alot of things but to use his name in the same sentence with conservatism now that's funny?

Thanks Guys...it's nice to start out the weekend with a good laugh.

 

[carpro]

Originally posted by ASLANSPAL:
Karl Rove could have come clean long ago.

He evidently did.

We've just got a closed mouth special investigator who doesn't blab everything he knows to the media.

One thing he is consistently telling is that Rove is not a target of the investigation.

He knows all but tells very little. The bottom feeding media is going nuts with what few morsels they can suck up.

 

[Dragoon68]

Here's more evidence that Rove is and has been telling the truth as well as cooperating fully with the investigation.

Rove E-Mail Details Talk With Cooper

The liberal lies, exaggerations, and distortions are falling apart. The smell of a liberal news media eager for a "good" story is growing stronger.

Like sau rieng this is delicious and sweet to some while nasty and stinky to others. Personally, I love this sau rieng because it is not that of my own sorrow but that of the liberals who cry over their failed attempt!

What will they try next? Surely they can find a way to blame Bush for this.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by Dragoon68:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by OldRegular:
The treason is by those giving aid and comfort to our enemies!

You got that right, OldRegular! </font>[/QUOTE]Ditto!

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by Ps104_33:
Will someone please tell me why the press wasnt all over the Sandy Berger theft (Remember that one , liberals?) of stolen secret documents like they are all over Karl Rove?

Because he is a democrat/leftist and most of the DC press is democrat/leftist.

 

[OCC]

"Originally posted by OldRegular:
The treason is by those giving aid and comfort to our enemies!"

then why are you "rebuilding" a country you are fighting a war in? I'm sure the attention you are putting on rebuilding that could be put on fighting is giving some aid and comfort to the enemy. I'm also sure that conservatives are giving aid and comfort to the enemy by their polarizing of the nation. Why should "the enemy" want or love the freedoms you enjoy when you try and take them away from the mean and nasty "liberals". You are as much at fault conservatives. Worry about yourselves and quit polarizing your country. It only gives aid and comfort to the enemy after all.

 

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by King James:
then why are you "rebuilding" a country you are fighting a war in? I'm sure the attention you are putting on rebuilding that could be put on fighting is giving some aid and comfort to the enemy.

We're helping Iraqis get a good start towards democracy. Iraqis - the people who don't want terrorists and tyrants - are not our enemies.

Would you argue that we should have left Germany and Japan in shambles after their defeat? Would you agrue that Germans and Japanese are our enemies?

I'm also sure that conservatives are giving aid and comfort to the enemy by their polarizing of the nation. Why should "the enemy" want or love the freedoms you enjoy when you try and take them away from the mean and nasty "liberals". You are as much at fault conservatives. Worry about yourselves and quit polarizing your country. It only gives aid and comfort to the enemy after all.

King James, these comments really don't make much sense.

 

[OCC]

If my comments don't make sense then nobody can blame liberals for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. If they do it, then conservatives do it as well. You both polarize your own country and the enemy loves to see your country divided. Makes sense to me.

 

[LadyEagle]

We're sitting ducks whether we are divided or not since our borders are not secured, suitcase nukes are already in the country, we don't know who is here and what they are doing here, and the State Department keeps on bringing in people from terrorist countries. The country being divided is a moot point, when all is said and done.

 

[One View]

Regarding the original post and the attempt to prosecute any wrong doing:

For quite some time, I have found the obsession with Karl Rove quite bizarre.

It started the day I watched in amazement on the news, busloads of people in Rove’s yard, protesting. My first impression was that movie, Night of the Living Dead, with zombies mindlessly terrorizing people. Then, the day Walter Cronkite suggested somehow Rove was behind the Osama Bin Laden tapes was, for me, the straw that broke the camel’s back.

If you wish, in jest, to blame Rove for your dog’s fleas, I’ll oblige to laugh along. Otherwise, to blame Rove in the CIA leak case, based upon existing evidence, is a further step into some strange fixation, that I’ll never understand. The paranoia goes beyond a simple “condemnation in search of a reason”.

 

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by King James:
If my comments don't make sense then nobody can blame liberals for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. If they do it, then conservatives do it as well. You both polarize your own country and the enemy loves to see your country divided. Makes sense to me.

Once we're committed to war then those who oppose it from within are dividing the country and that, indeed, is something our "enemy loves to see". On the other hand, I seriously doubt those who have resolve and support the cause are "loved" by our enemy.

 

[OCC]

No, those who support the cause are not causing division. They are causing division because they bash "liberals" and try to say they are unpatriotic, etc. thereby polarizing the country. Both sides are guilty of it.

LadyEagle...if the point is moot...why do conservatives so often complain that liberals are causing division in the country and thereby giving comfort and aid to the enemy?

 

[OCC]

"If you wish, in jest, to blame Rove for your dog’s fleas, I’ll oblige to laugh along."

I blame him for my dog's nasty disposition too. Just kiddin...my dog's a sweetie.

 

[LadyEagle]

LadyEagle...if the point is moot...why do conservatives so often complain that liberals are causing division in the country and thereby giving comfort and aid to the enemy?

Because the conservatives, for the most part, have developed an acute case of tunnel vision, IOW, they believe the mantra - if we fight them in Iraq, we won't have to fight them at home.

 

[OCC]

Thanks LE for your reply