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The Biggest Difference Between Judaism and Christianity
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Jesus Himself established the servant leadership model. Jesus never established the leadership of Scripture model, that was Luther. Which is stupid, because every appeal to scripture became an appeal to anyones interpretation of scripture, which has turned into that clown show I have often mentioned.
The greatest among you must be the servant of all.
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
The Apostles Judge and rule in their successors, the ones they appointed before they died.
“These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.“
The Authority was passed on to approved and appointed men, you ignore these, you ignore the Apostles. If Titus was teaching and rebuking you, he had all the Authority of the Apostles to justly and rightly do so.
Look at this sequence.
“A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest.25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials. 29 And I confer on you a kingdom,just as my Father conferred one on me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat. 32 But I have prayed for you,Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”
So although the Apostles all receive thrones of Judgement and Authority, Jesus takes Simon aside and tells him that He has particularly prayed that his faith not fail, and that after his denial, he is to strengthen his brother Apostles.
Which would be the servant leader role of the Apostolic brotherhood.
So we see an Apostolic Government, a servant leader head, and we see successors of approved and appointed men given Apostolic Authority.
37818
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The only thing of Apostolic authority we actually have, are the New Testament books.
You forget about the Apostolic Government Jesus established written about in those books.
The lineage of Apostolic successors is here today, the approved and appointed men down the ages through the laying on of hands from the Apostles.
This lineage transferred not only the writings of the Apostles, but also the Apostolic Authority to teach the one objective and correct meanings of those writings handed down.
It was this lineage that determined the canon of Scripture itself from its own Apostolic Tradition.
For you to be right in your assumptions, Jesus would have to be wrong and the Apostles aren’t ruling and judging God’s people.
What we don’t see in Scripture is the protestant model, where every man picks up the scriptures and inflicts it to his own subjective interpretations and inventing his own doctrines there by.
The Apostolic lineage has the objective and true understanding of scripture handed down.
Protestantism has no government but each man’s subjective conflicting interpretations of scripture, all traditions of men outside the Apostolic lineage, all claiming scriptures as their authority, but each has not been given authority to interpret the scripture.
These are not approved and appointed men in the Apostolic lineage, these are all self appointed men founding their own traditions on their own subjective opinions of scripture.
Protestantism was sifted like wheat from its inception, till today it doesn’t even resemble its founders, who even disagreed amongst themselves as to what scripture means and what doctrines should be followed.
No doctrine is settled in Protestantism, every day someone is interpreting his own doctrines from scripture.
That’s the clown show.
Protestantism is the sea of subjective interpretations of Scripture, based on conflicted human opinion.
Catholicism is the singular Apostolic interpretation of Scripture handed down in truth.
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My bad. Not sure how mate, it wasn’t intentional. I’m prepared to forgive me if you are, if not, I’ll give myself a stern talking to, it’s an utter disgrace.
37818
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Claiming what is not true.
“And thus preaching through countries and cities, they appointed the first-fruits [of their labours], having first proved them by the Spirit, to be bishops and deacons of those who should afterwards believe. Nor was this any new thing, since indeed many ages before it was written concerning bishops and deacons. For thus saith the Scripture a certain place, ‘I will appoint their bishops s in righteousness, and their deacons in faith.’… Our apostles also knew, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and there would be strife on account of the office of the episcopate. For this reason, therefore, inasmuch as they had obtained a perfect fore-knowledge of this, they appointed those [ministers] already mentioned, and afterwards gave instructions, that when these should fall asleep, other approved men should succeed them in their ministry…For our sin will not be small, if we eject from the episcopate those who have blamelessly and holily fulfilled its duties.” Pope Clement, Epistle to Corinthians, 42, 44 (A.D. 98).
“And do ye also reverence your bishop as Christ Himself, according as the blessed apostles have enjoined you. He that is within the altar is pure, wherefore also he is obedient to the bishop and presbyters: but he that is without is one that does anything apart from the bishop, the presbyters, and the deacons. Such a person is defiled in his conscience, and is worse than an infidel. For what is the bishop but one who beyond all others possesses all power and authority, so far as it is possible for a man to possess it, who according to his ability has been made an imitator of the Christ Of God? And what is the presbytery but a sacred assembly, the counselors and assessors of the bishop? And what are the deacons but imitators of the angelic powers, fulfilling a pure and blameless ministry unto him, as the holy Stephen did to the blessed James, Timothy and Linus to Paul, Anencletus and Clement to Peter? He, therefore, that will not yield obedience to such, must needs be one utterly without God, an impious man who despises Christ, and depreciates His appointments.” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Trallians, 7 (c. A.D. 110).
We have Titus, Timothy and others shown in scripture to carry the leadership forward and the Church Fathers talk on the succession from the Apostles as well.
These are the lineage of Christ’s appointments.
Not the self approved and self appointed men we see in Protestantism, all traditions of men outside the Apostolic lineage.
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“Speak these things, and exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.“ Titus 2:15
If we believe Scripture then we will see that Apostolic Authority was passed down to approved men.
“We are not to credit these men, nor go out from the first and the ecclesiastical tradition; nor to believe otherwise than as the churches of God have by succession transmitted to us.” Origen, Commentary on Matthew (post A.D. 244).
“Our Lord, whose precepts and admonitions we ought to observe, describing the honour of a bishop and the order of His Church, speaks in the Gospel, and says to Peter: ‘I say unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.’ Thence, through the changes of times and successions, the ordering of bishops and the plan of the Church flow onwards; so that the Church is founded upon the bishops, and every act of the Church is controlled by these same rulers.” Cyprian, To the Lapsed, 1 (A.D. 250).
There is a line succession from the Apostles, not self approved and self appointed men starting human traditions on their subjective interpretations of scripture.
Protestants rejected Christ’s appointed leadership of Apostolic Shepherds and denied the Apostolic doctrines as much as they invented new ones on their many erroneous and conflicting interpretations of Scripture.
37818
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No. The New Testament books are the sole Apostolic authority passed down.
37818
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The difference between being in the New Covenant and not being part of the New Covenant is actually being among those who know God. Jeremiah 31:34, And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Catholicism is Satanic. Always has been. Catholicism is a persecutor. Christians have never been persecutors.
Jorge Mario Bergoglio is aptly and OPENLY equating Catholicism with every Cult on the planet.
Your precious Satanic pope is deviously telling you plainly that Catholicism is just one of a multitude of ways to God.
Jesus, the LORD, says plainly, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father but by me.
Your precious pope espouses the exact opposite of Jesus Christ.
That’s not what the New Testament books say.
37818
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The New Testament does not teach an Apostolic succession.
I remember Cardinal Newman’s interesting take.
“Conscience is the aboriginal Vicar of Christ, a prophet in its informations, a monarch in its peremptoriness, a priest in its blessings and anathemas, and, even though the eternal priesthood throughout the Church could cease to be, in it the sacerdotal principle would remain and would have a sway”
When unevangelised but otherwise open people of different religions follow their conscience, they are following Christ. Not an explicit following of Christ, like having heard and received the Good News, but an implicit following that is attentive God’s voice in conscience and would have received the Gospel had it been preached by the power of The Holy Spirit.
“Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment. . . . For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God. . . . His conscience is man’s most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths.”CCC
“The LORD said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground.”
The real mark of Cain was defiance of conscience. Conscience haunts from the ground long after the event. God speaks in conscience.
Most of the human experience hasn’t had the explicit Gospel preached in power and air conditioned comfort.
There are other sheep that listen to His voice by conscience.
If you have heard the explicit Gospel and learned of God and rejected it, that is worthy of judgment.
Those given more will have more expected of them.
Those given less, less is expected.
But all who will be saved will be through and because of Christ who alone is the ultimate and perfect Judge.
What do you mean? It stands out like dogs balls.
“Speak these things, and teach and reprove with all authority. Let no one despise you.“ Titus 2:15
- 1 Corinthians 12:28-29 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
- Ephesians 4:11-12 And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
Apostles never ceased and were part of the continuing and various roles in the Church.
“Therefore the power of remitting sins was given to the apostles, and to the churches which they, sent by Christ, established, and to the bishops who succeeded to them by vicarious ordination.” Firmilian, To Cyprian, Epistle 75[74]:16 (A.D. 256).
“It is my purpose to write an account of the successions of the holy apostles, as well as of the times which have elapsed from the days of our Saviour to our own; and to relate the many important events which are said to have occurred in the history of the Church; and to mention those who have governed and presided over the Church in the most prominent parishes, and those who in each generation have proclaimed the divine word either orally or in writing… When Nero was in the eighth year of his reign, Annianus succeeded Mark the evangelist in the administration of the parish of Alexandria…Linus …was Peter’s successor in the episcopate of the church there…Clement also, who was appointed third bishop of the church at Rome.” Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History,1:1,2:24, (A.D. 325).
The difference is they are two completely different religions. They have two totally different paths of salvation.