The Birth and Nature of Christ

[Eliyahu]

Word became Flesh ( John 1:14)


Son of God had NO Mother ( Hebrews 7:1-5)

 

[standingfirminChrist]

While much science will ultimately validate scripture, the idea that human beings (including women) inherit their blood only from their fathers is incorrect!
I have been retired from medicine for 2 years and am enrolled as a non-degree student at Dallas Theological Seminary. I feel that it is unnecessary and harmful to build doctrine on false science.

BBob,

Martin R. DeHaan was born in Zeeland, Michigan, the son of a cobbler who had emigrated from the Netherlands. He graduated from Hope College in Holland, Michigan, and the University of Illinois College of Medicine.

When Dr. DeHaan got the call to preach the Gospel, he gave up his medical practice and completed training at Western Theological Seminary in Holland, Michigan.

 

[Chemnitz]

The phrase, "the word became flesh," does not negate the idea of God using Mary's ovum in the process. It only states that He became flesh, it does not elucidate how He became flesh.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

The phrase, "the word became flesh," does not negate the idea of God using Mary's ovum in the process. It only states that He became flesh, it does not elucidate how He became flesh.

If the ovum was used, then the flesh became God.

 

[Brother Bob]

The word Incarnation is the translation of John 1:14 Word became flesh, but the more details can be varied as Enfleshment.

The reason why I used the term was because I wanted to state the counter word for Biological Motherhood.

If you can find a better term for " Word became Flesh" then you can use it.

Word became Flesh, Not the egg became flesh, which is pagan belief !

All depends where the actural blood comes from Eliyahu; I think the it is made up in the embro from chromosomes from father and mother. excuse spelling. Where God could of provided all the chromosomes even though mary provided the egg.

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

Martin R. DeHaan was born in Zeeland, Michigan, the son of a cobbler who had emigrated from the Netherlands. He graduated from Hope College in Holland, Michigan, and the University of Illinois College of Medicine.

When Dr. DeHaan got the call to preach the Gospel, he gave up his medical practice and completed training at Western Theological Seminary in Holland, Michigan.

He still was a doctor for a while then became a theologian the rest of his life and when he made the comment about blood, he was a theologian. It was his opinion, but that was all it was, because he was not a chemist.

BBob,

 

[annsni]

Martin R. DeHaan was born in Zeeland, Michigan, the son of a cobbler who had emigrated from the Netherlands. He graduated from Hope College in Holland, Michigan, and the University of Illinois College of Medicine.

When Dr. DeHaan got the call to preach the Gospel, he gave up his medical practice and completed training at Western Theological Seminary in Holland, Michigan.

You had also posted that he passed away in 1965. There have been quite a few discoveries about science in the last 43 years.

(to all - the migraine is better but I think a good night's sleep is in order for me too. I'll see y'all tomorrow. Just wanted to read now because I know there will be about 15 new pages by morning. LOL)

 

[Eliyahu]

You had also posted that he passed away in 1965. There have been quite a few discoveries about science in the last 43 years.

(to all - the migraine is better but I think a good night's sleep is in order for me too. I'll see y'all tomorrow. Just wanted to read now because I know there will be about 15 new pages by morning. LOL)

You could never answer my question.

Are you ready to answer now?

 

[Eliyahu]

The phrase, "the word became flesh," does not negate the idea of God using Mary's ovum in the process. It only states that He became flesh, it does not elucidate how He became flesh.

You can never find the contradiction between:

the Word became Flesh

and

the Egg became Flesh

which can be true only when the Word is the Egg.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

He still was a doctor for a while then became a theologian the rest of his life and when he made the comment about blood, he was a theologian. It was his opinion, but that was all it was, because he was not a chemist.

BBob,

And you said you are retired from the medical field. So since you think DeHaan was no longer qualified to make statements about blood, that must mean you too, are no longer qualified to make statements about blood.

Or about anything biological that doctor's have to know.

Please refrain from posting about the blood since you, by your own logic, are not qualified any longer to do so.

 

[Brother Bob]

And you said you are retired from the medical field. So since you think DeHaan was no longer qualified to make statements about blood, that must mean you too, are no longer qualified to make statements about blood.

Or about anything biological that doctor's have to know.

Please refrain from posting about the blood since you, by your own logic, are not qualified any longer to do so.

I never said anything about me and the medical field.

Gene responsible for blood supply found

Blood cell formation depends on gene previously linked to leukemia

Researchers at Harvard-affiliated Dana-Farber Cancer Institute have pinpointed a crucial gene on which the normal development of the body's entire blood system depends. If the gene is absent, even the most basic blood stem cells cannot be generated. In a mutated form, this gene can cause a rare and devastating form of leukemia.

Called MLL, the gene makes a protein that regulates the activity of a number of other genes involved in proper development of tissues and organs during embryonic life. The experimental results being published in the March 16 issue of Developmental Cell demonstrate that MLL is necessary for the development of the "master" stem cells that generate all the mature blood cells.
The team led by Patricia Ernst and Stanley Korsmeyer reports that the discovery of the gene's critical role should help unveil important mechanisms in how the blood system develops, and could lead to ways of manipulating it in normal and cancerous conditions.
"The MLL gene, which is required to make all blood cells, is also a cause of a distinct human leukemia, suggesting that the blood's earliest stem cells are involved in this cancer," explains Korsmeyer, who is director of the Program in Molecular Oncology at Dana-Farber and a Howard Hughes medical investigator.

And the embro receives chromosones from the father and mother to make up the blood cells.

BBob,

 

[Eliyahu]

All depends where the actural blood comes from Eliyahu; I think the it is made up in the embro from chromosomes from father and mother. excuse spelling. Where God could of provided all the chromosomes even though mary provided the egg.

BBob,

I believe both parents are responsible for the Blood ans the white blood cells contain 46 chromosomes. You are depicting Jesus as a human being who has only 23 chromosomes unless you claim Word became another 23 chromosomes, in which process I am afraid Word lost the brain and all the memories with Abraham and Jacob.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I never said anything about me and the medical field.

Gene responsible for blood supply found

Blood cell formation depends on gene previously linked to leukemia

Researchers at Harvard-affiliated Dana-Farber Cancer Institute have pinpointed a crucial gene on which the normal development of the body's entire blood system depends. If the gene is absent, even the most basic blood stem cells cannot be generated. In a mutated form, this gene can cause a rare and devastating form of leukemia.

Called MLL, the gene makes a protein that regulates the activity of a number of other genes involved in proper development of tissues and organs during embryonic life. The experimental results being published in the March 16 issue of Developmental Cell demonstrate that MLL is necessary for the development of the "master" stem cells that generate all the mature blood cells.
The team led by Patricia Ernst and Stanley Korsmeyer reports that the discovery of the gene's critical role should help unveil important mechanisms in how the blood system develops, and could lead to ways of manipulating it in normal and cancerous conditions.
"The MLL gene, which is required to make all blood cells, is also a cause of a distinct human leukemia, suggesting that the blood's earliest stem cells are involved in this cancer," explains Korsmeyer, who is director of the Program in Molecular Oncology at Dana-Farber and a Howard Hughes medical investigator.

And the embro receives chromosones from the father and mother to make up the blood cells.

BBob,

Here is where you stated you retired from medicine 2 years ago.

Now you say you never said anything about you being in the medical field.

Which is it, Bob? Were you in the medical field? or not?

 

[Brother Bob]

I believe both parents are responsible for the Blood ans the white blood cells contain 46 chromosomes. You are depicting Jesus as a human being who has only 23 chromosomes unless you claim Word became another 23 chromosomes, in which process I am afraid Word lost the brain and all the memories with Abraham and Jacob.

We getting into the crazy field now. I think I will take the advice of cowboymatt and go to bed myself. Good nite.

:sleeping_2:
BBob,

 

[Eliyahu]

Human beings are depicted as following:

Romans 3

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.3 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

This is the observation by God, about human condition, the depravity of human beings.

Mary could not be an exception. What about their Sperms and Ovums?
They were the products of such human race and had the same personalities of the Natural man and woman. ( 1 Cor 2:14-3:3)
If they were fertilized they would have the same problems. Would the ovum of Mary have been an exception? Only if Mary had been a special goddess !

 

[Eliyahu]

We getting into the crazy field now. I think I will take the advice of cowboymatt and go to bed myself. Good nite.

:sleeping_2:
BBob,

The Truth Word became Flesh remains forever!

 

[DHK]

"The Chemistry of the Blood" by DeHaan contains inaccurate information. The blood does not come from the father. That is not a true statement. Once the egg is fertilized by the sperm meiosis occurs. Soon after that the fertilized egg through mitosis begins to duplicate and the two cells become four, and then eight and then sixteen. By the time it reaches sixteen cells it makes its way down to the uterus. That takes about three days. The mother's blood does not mix with the embryo. The mother does not contribute to the embryo's blood. The father does not contribute to the blood.
The embryo produces its own blood, as it does all of its own organs. In the fertilization process the chromosomes of both sperm and the egg come together, by which traits from each parent are shared. But the blood of the embryo is the embryo's own blood.

 

[DHK]

originally posted by Heavenly Pilgrim

HP: I was also charged with heresy by DHK on the basis of stating that the DNA or sperm of Joseph may well have been used to create the physical body of Jesus. I was told that if the sperm of Joseph was used that would be tantamount to saying Jesus was the product of fornication. As far as I know DHK has allowed the ‘heresy’ charge to stand without any retraction.

You are quite right. I have no intention of retracting heresy. The virgin birth is just what it is—the virgin birth; one of the most fundamental and essential doctrines of the Christian faith. For such a blatant denial of it in your above post is heresy. If the sperm of Joseph was used then obviously it would not be a virgin birth, but a denial of the virgin birth. That is heresy. You won’t get a retraction from me. The Bible says quite plainly that Christ was born of a virgin, and that virgin was Mary. Hence, no sperm of a man was used. Elementary sir, elementary.

I would like to ask the list, if any would charge a man with fornication if his sperm was used to fertilize an egg in a laboratory and then surgically implanted in the womb of a women the man, who donated the sperm, never knew the women?

There would be no need for this if both male and female are fertile. So your question is moot.

HP: I am still awaiting an answer from DHK and others on this issue. This was a primary question in the OP

Well, now you have it.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

You are quite right. I have no intention of retracting heresy. The virgin birth is just what it is—the virgin birth; one of the most fundamental and essential doctrines of the Christian faith. For such a blatant denial of it in your above post is heresy. If the sperm of Joseph was used then obviously it would not be a virgin birth, but a denial of the virgin birth. That is heresy. You won’t get a retraction from me. The Bible says quite plainly that Christ was born of a virgin, and that virgin was Mary. Hence, no sperm of a man was used. Elementary sir, elementary.

With this statement, I can finally agree with DHK on something!

Although... the accusation of fornication if Joseph had provided the seed is false, IMO. Careful study will show Mary and Joseph were married at this time, they had just not come together in that marriage act as of yet.

 

[donnA]

You all have posted a lot since I was here earlier.
Have you accomplished anything, edged anyone closer to believing what you believe?