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The Bishop of Ephesus
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Bob Hope
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These two deserted Paul after being imprisoned in Asia Minor. Neither were the 'Bishop' of the church at Ephesus.
His "boy"?
I Timothy 4 makes it very clear based on the fact that Timothy had elders lay hands on him (ordination), his responsibility was to read scripture, teach, exhort, he was to stand against false teachings in the church. Paul would not have given these instructions to someone in the church who was not the pastor.
In 2 Timothy 4 Paul tells Timothy for preach the word and to be faithful in it. Yes Timothy was certainly the pastor.
Bob Hope
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Sorry, he was not the bishop. You have proved nothing.
http://biblehub.com/library/hippoly..._of_hippolytus/the_same_hippolytus_on_the.htm
20. Andronicus, bishop of Pannonia.
21. Amplias, bishop of Odyssus.
22. Urban, bishop of Macedonia.
23. Stachys, bishop of Byzantium.
24. Barnabas, bishop of Heraclea.
25. Phygellus, bishop of Ephesus. He was of the party also of Simon. [2033]
26. Hermogenes. He, too, was of the same mind with the former.
27. Demas, who also became a priest of idols.
28. Apelles, bishop of Smyrna.
29. Aristobulus, bishop of Britain.
30. Narcissus, bishop of Athens.
31. Herodion, bishop of Tarsus.
32. Agabus the prophet.
33. Rufus, bishop of Thebes.
34. Asyncritus, bishop of Hyrcania.
You have made the claim that I have proven nothing but failed to provide any evidence that what you say is actually true. Refute what I said directly please.
Bob Hope
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Click on the provided link and it will take you to Hippolytus' book. Your extrapolation is incredibly weak.
Just because you do not want it to be true does not make what is clear in scripture weak. Since you call it such and cannot refute it on your own what is it we can deduce from your position.
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Bob Hope
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One more good link showing that there is zero proof that Tim was little more than a deacon.
http://www.alanknox.net/2008/12/was-timothy-bishop-of-ephesus/
http://www.alanknox.net/2008/12/was-timothy-bishop-of-ephesus/
Bro. Mitchell, welcome to the 'dumb club'.
You continue to post what others say but you still have failed to actually address what I posted. It seems you are just running around googling anything that you think supports what you want to be true. You have failed to make your position. Knox's post ignores much of the argument.
1 Timothy 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
--This is a church that needed a pastor. Paul had raised up Timothy as a spiritual son. Now he was mature enough to take charge of his own work.
(ESV) As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine,
--Paul's command to Timothy was to set the false doctrine straight. The word "charge" is a military term.
It demands subordination, obedience from a superior. He was to take control of things in this church just as a pastor would whenever there was false doctrine involved.
In Paul's touching conclusion of his final letter, the last words that he will ever pen, he makes one last request of his beloved friend:
2Ti 4:9 Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me:
--He wants to see Timothy one more time before his death. He arranges for another to take his place while he is gone from his pastorate, for it would be but for a temporary time.
2Ti 4:12 And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus.
Surely, Timothy would return and keep the charge which Paul had given him:
2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Notice you didn't 'dumb' a mod's post. Why? He nailed you dead to rights.
Actually I did. I also went to your link, a blog set up by an IT technician who just studies the Bible as an aside. Not much credentials there. It gave opinion, not fact. You can't refute scripture. You simply say it is wrong, and that is all. Where is your refutation of the scripture itself?
Bob Hope
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And what of the book written by Hippolytus? You skip addressing it and instead go after the blog because he uses assumptions as you have done.
You have made an assumption that just because Paul said that Tim should preach that it makes him a bishop. That's hardly proof. No where in the bible does anyone refer to Tim as a pastor or bishop. Yet Paul makes it clear that all Asia had turned against him. We have by Paul's own hand a written account that he had issues with these two men Phygellus and Hermogenes, which Hippolytus confirms were at Ephesus. This is consistent with Paul's issues with the churches in Asia.
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It is irrelevant.
No assumption just logic and reason. Paul not only told him to preach but there were other duties that Paul told him to be faithful to that are those duties which are that of a pastor, as I have already laid out.
Hardly? It is much more than hardly.
Which is very likely since he and any audience already knew who he was. However, Paul's instructions on his duties to be faithful to make his role as pastor very clear.
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