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The Book of Ephesians
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Yet another post directed at me, insulting me, and running from the topic.
Does scripture clearly and repeatedly teach the lost sometimes seek God? Yes!!!
Luke 13:24 says "many seek the narrow way that leads to life but do not find it. That means one, they were seeking and two, they were not being compelled by irresistible grace. Full Stop
Who, at the Baptist Board, actually agrees with @Van s claims?
I am done showing the Bible verses that repeatedly rebuke his claims. At this point there is no value in me responding. Instead, I wonder what other people think about the claim from Luke 13:24 that sinners sometimes seek God on their own with no work by God to bring them to him.
I don't intend on responding to the poster on this subject anymore, but I would be interested in others and their views.
I am done showing the Bible verses that repeatedly rebuke his claims. At this point there is no value in me responding. Instead, I wonder what other people think about the claim from Luke 13:24 that sinners sometimes seek God on their own with no work by God to bring them to him.
I don't intend on responding to the poster on this subject anymore, but I would be interested in others and their views.
"Van's claims?"
Both in the OT and in the NT, God's inspired word teaches some of the lost, some of the time seek God and His promises. Full Stop
Luke 13:24 CSB
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because I tell you, many will try to enter and won’t be able."
Luke 18:18 CSB
A ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? ”
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because I tell you, many will try to enter and won’t be able."
Luke 18:18 CSB
A ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? ”
Both in the OT and in the NT, God's inspired word teaches some of the lost, some of the time seek God and His promises. Full Stop
An introduction to the Book of Ephesians?
1) Does the introduction, Ephesians 1:1-14, say Jesus has saved His people as the sermon claims? Nope
So even if the letter was written to existing "saints" the purpose of the Apostles chosen by Christ is to make new saints, people who will become saved. So the actual doctrine is Jesus has saved and is saving His people.
2) Is belief the result of having righteousness imputed to us? Nope
Here the opposite truth is taught, after hearing and believing the gospel of your salvation, then the believers were "sealed in Him." Not the other way around.
3) Does God "know" the sins of the saints? Nope God has forgiven our sins and promised to remember them no more forever. Hebrews 9:12
4) Is the introduction to Ephesians "gibberish" to the lost? Nope Certainly gibberish to those of the "soil number 1" hardened hearts, and those who "know" another doctrine of god. But a "few" will find the narrow path that leads to life, and scripture can lead them there. See Galatians 3:24
5 Has Jesus "satisfied" God for the sins of the whole world? Nope Jesus has provided the means of satisfaction of God for the sins of the whole world, all of humanity.
6) Is the "world" (1 John 2:2) referring to the elect? Nope. The audience is believers and non-believers, as "world" refers to the inhabitants of the whole world, all mankind.
7) The many will seek to find the narrow way that leads to life, but not be able to find it.
1) Does the introduction, Ephesians 1:1-14, say Jesus has saved His people as the sermon claims? Nope
Ephesians 1:1 NASB
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,
To the saints who are at Ephesus and are faithful in Christ Jesus:
____________
Footnote: Some early manuscripts do not contain "at Ephesus"
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,
To the saints who are at Ephesus and are faithful in Christ Jesus:
____________
Footnote: Some early manuscripts do not contain "at Ephesus"
So even if the letter was written to existing "saints" the purpose of the Apostles chosen by Christ is to make new saints, people who will become saved. So the actual doctrine is Jesus has saved and is saving His people.
2) Is belief the result of having righteousness imputed to us? Nope
Eph 1:13 NASB
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,
Here the opposite truth is taught, after hearing and believing the gospel of your salvation, then the believers were "sealed in Him." Not the other way around.
3) Does God "know" the sins of the saints? Nope God has forgiven our sins and promised to remember them no more forever. Hebrews 9:12
4) Is the introduction to Ephesians "gibberish" to the lost? Nope Certainly gibberish to those of the "soil number 1" hardened hearts, and those who "know" another doctrine of god. But a "few" will find the narrow path that leads to life, and scripture can lead them there. See Galatians 3:24
5 Has Jesus "satisfied" God for the sins of the whole world? Nope Jesus has provided the means of satisfaction of God for the sins of the whole world, all of humanity.
6) Is the "world" (1 John 2:2) referring to the elect? Nope. The audience is believers and non-believers, as "world" refers to the inhabitants of the whole world, all mankind.
7) The many will seek to find the narrow way that leads to life, but not be able to find it.
Luke 13:24
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because I tell you, many will try to enter and won’t be able
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because I tell you, many will try to enter and won’t be able
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2 Ye know that when ye were Gentiles ye were led away unto those dumb idols, howsoever ye might led. 1 Cor 12
If no longer non-Jews, they have become ______ .
a.
b.
c, Jews
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass that, in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Hosea 1
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Thanks for pointing that out, I missed it because I only breeze over his bloviations.
@JD731, if you're going to pull deceitful tricks like this our discussion is over.
"Van's claims" and "bloviations."
Both in the OT and in the NT, God's inspired word teaches some of the lost, some of the time seek God and His promises. Full Stop
Luke 13:24 CSB
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because I tell you, many will try to enter and won’t be able."
Luke 18:18 CSB
A ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? ”
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because I tell you, many will try to enter and won’t be able."
Luke 18:18 CSB
A ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? ”
Both in the OT and in the NT, God's inspired word teaches some of the lost, some of the time seek God and His promises. Full Stop
British Israelism - CDAMM
British Israelism:
Introduction
British-Israelists are defined by their belief that the lost tribes of Israel are identical with the white, Protestant peoples of Northern Europe. This belief is informed by several different strands of thought and incorporates elements of Protestant apocalypticism, British nationalism, New Age belief, and racial pseudo-science............
Is this your identity theologically?
Gods true Promised Land
BTW, Romans 4:11-12
Exactly! You are likely from the family of Japheth, not Shem. Nothing will change that as long as you live on earth.
Ge 9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
You are missing the point. The claim of some is that they become the sons of Jacob when they become Christians and call themselves Israelites. The scriptures do not teach such. This is what some here have been claiming for themselves.
Understanding the metaphors of scriptures will prevent mixing them.
God's inspired word clearly teaches some of the lost sometimes seek God and His promises.
Both in the OT and in the NT, God's inspired word teaches some of the lost, some of the time seek God and His promises. Full Stop[/QUOTE]
Luke 13:24 CSB
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because I tell you, many will try to enter and won’t be able."
Luke 18:18 CSB
A ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? ”
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because I tell you, many will try to enter and won’t be able."
Luke 18:18 CSB
A ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? ”
Both in the OT and in the NT, God's inspired word teaches some of the lost, some of the time seek God and His promises. Full Stop[/QUOTE]
An introduction to the Book of Ephesians?
1) Does the introduction, Ephesians 1:1-14, say Jesus has saved His people as the sermon claims? Nope
So even if the letter was written to existing "saints" the purpose of the Apostles chosen by Christ is to make new saints, people who will become saved. So the actual doctrine is Jesus has saved and is saving His people.
2) Is belief the result of having righteousness imputed to us? Nope
Here the opposite truth is taught, after hearing and believing the gospel of your salvation, then the believers were "sealed in Him." Not the other way around.
3) Does God "know" the sins of the saints? Nope God has forgiven our sins and promised to remember them no more forever. Hebrews 9:12
4) Is the introduction to Ephesians "gibberish" to the lost? Nope Certainly gibberish to those of the "soil number 1" hardened hearts, and those who "know" another doctrine of god. But a "few" will find the narrow path that leads to life, and scripture can lead them there. See Galatians 3:24
5 Has Jesus "satisfied" God for the sins of the whole world? Nope Jesus has provided the means of satisfaction of God for the sins of the whole world, all of humanity.
6) Is the "world" (1 John 2:2) referring to the elect? Nope. The audience is believers and non-believers, as "world" refers to the inhabitants of the whole world, all mankind.
7) The many will seek to find the narrow way that leads to life, but not be able to find it.
1) Does the introduction, Ephesians 1:1-14, say Jesus has saved His people as the sermon claims? Nope
Ephesians 1:1 NASB
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,
To the saints who are at Ephesus and are faithful in Christ Jesus:
____________
Footnote: Some early manuscripts do not contain "at Ephesus"
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,
To the saints who are at Ephesus and are faithful in Christ Jesus:
____________
Footnote: Some early manuscripts do not contain "at Ephesus"
So even if the letter was written to existing "saints" the purpose of the Apostles chosen by Christ is to make new saints, people who will become saved. So the actual doctrine is Jesus has saved and is saving His people.
2) Is belief the result of having righteousness imputed to us? Nope
Eph 1:13 NASB
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,
Here the opposite truth is taught, after hearing and believing the gospel of your salvation, then the believers were "sealed in Him." Not the other way around.
3) Does God "know" the sins of the saints? Nope God has forgiven our sins and promised to remember them no more forever. Hebrews 9:12
4) Is the introduction to Ephesians "gibberish" to the lost? Nope Certainly gibberish to those of the "soil number 1" hardened hearts, and those who "know" another doctrine of god. But a "few" will find the narrow path that leads to life, and scripture can lead them there. See Galatians 3:24
5 Has Jesus "satisfied" God for the sins of the whole world? Nope Jesus has provided the means of satisfaction of God for the sins of the whole world, all of humanity.
6) Is the "world" (1 John 2:2) referring to the elect? Nope. The audience is believers and non-believers, as "world" refers to the inhabitants of the whole world, all mankind.
7) The many will seek to find the narrow way that leads to life, but not be able to find it.
Luke 13:24
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because I tell you, many will try to enter and won’t be able
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because I tell you, many will try to enter and won’t be able
The introduction did a nice job with the meaning of "repentance" explaining the idea is not we stop sinning before salvation, or even after we continue to do what would be sinful except for the blood of Christ. Christ takes us as we are, worts and all. Thus repentance refers to a change in our mental characteristic, i.e. from going the way we think best, to going the way our Lord instructs. Putting our trust in Him, rather than ourselves. Anyone who says it is easy probably is not carrying their cross.
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