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The book of Revelation

evangelist6589

evangelist6589

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GreekTim got me on this one and that was a good thing to do and so I have ordered a 4 views book which I get for FREE due to the instant $50 Amazon credit for opening a amazon CC. Anyways the book speaks of the following approaches to Rev.

Preterist
Symbolic
Classical DISP
progressive DISP

Sure there are others but the book hits on these topics. This would appear to be a hermeneutics book and this thread should be also so topics on the rapture, 2nd coming, millennium, and so forth may not be appropriate.

I am a futurist but don't believe I can defend my view over people like GK Beale whom makes good arguments. So what are you and why? Why is your view on Rev right and others wrong?

Someone whom says not to read books but the Bible will come away with a futurist interpretation so it's no wonder one former poster whom strongly disliked Calvinists had such a view. His input on this kind of a topic might be valuable. As books can corrupt viewpoints in some ways no question about it. Old Regular feels the same and so he may also be correct. I don't know and why I ordered the book.

What say you?
 
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Don

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evangelist6589 said:
Why is your view on Rev right and others wrong?
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Because he's crusty, sometimes obnoxious, not afraid to challenge the views of others ... oh, wait. That's Rev Mitchell. You meant Revelations. My bad.

Sorry; couldn't help myself.
 
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go2church

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Any book of the Bible can't mean today what it didn't mean when it was first written. What is the genre (Apocalyptic literature), occasion for writing (encourage faithfulness, yes it's bad, but this is not the end) This tosses most of the futurist interpretation right from the beginning.

Then you ask of the parts that remain, those that were future looking when first written, have those "events" happened? Yes, as a matter of fact just about all of them have happened.

So what are you left with? The return of Jesus, that's it. This takes Revelation out of the realm of the mystical and makes it something much more readily available to todays readers.

Skip any of these and you end up with a literal 1000 years but a figurative chain and door all from the same passage of scripture. Then it's only a small jump from there to locusts being helicopters and the mark of the beast being computer chips.

I may be wrong in my interpretation, but I won't be wrong because I'm trying to make Revelation say something that the first hearers would have never understood.
 
evangelist6589

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go2church said:
Any book of the Bible can't mean today what it didn't mean when it was first written. What is the genre (Apocalyptic literature), occasion for writing (encourage faithfulness, yes it's bad, but this is not the end) This tosses most of the futurist interpretation right from the beginning.



Then you ask of the parts that remain, those that were future looking when first written, have those "events" happened? Yes, as a matter of fact just about all of them have happened.



So what are you left with? The return of Jesus, that's it. This takes Revelation out of the realm of the mystical and makes it something much more readily available to todays readers.



Skip any of these and you end up with a literal 1000 years but a figurative chain and door all from the same passage of scripture. Then it's only a small jump from there to locusts being helicopters and the mark of the beast being computer chips.



I may be wrong in my interpretation, but I won't be wrong because I'm trying to make Revelation say something that the first hearers would have never understood.
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Don't get me wrong I will be looking more into your interpretation when my book arrives. GK Beale made me think about this a little.
 
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Yeshua1

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evangelist6589 said:
GreekTim got me on this one and that was a good thing to do and so I have ordered a 4 views book which I get for FREE due to the instant $50 Amazon credit for opening a amazon CC. Anyways the book speaks of the following approaches to Rev.

Preterist
Symbolic
Classical DISP
progressive DISP

Sure there are others but the book hits on these topics. This would appear to be a hermeneutics book and this thread should be also so topics on the rapture, 2nd coming, millennium, and so forth may not be appropriate.

I am a futurist but don't believe I can defend my view over people like GK Beale whom makes good arguments. So what are you and why? Why is your view on Rev right and others wrong?

Someone whom says not to read books but the Bible will come away with a futurist interpretation so it's no wonder one former poster whom strongly disliked Calvinists had such a view. His input on this kind of a topic might be valuable. As books can corrupt viewpoints in some ways no question about it. Old Regular feels the same and so he may also be correct. I don't know and why I ordered the book.

What say you?
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What was GK Beale views then?
 
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Yeshua1

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evangelist6589 said:
He views revelation as symbolic.
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That would require someone to pretty much spirtualise entire prophetic word of the Bible, yet God seemed to be very much literal in fulfilling the prophecies made concerning jesus first coming, so why not same for His second?
 
evangelist6589

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Yeshua1 said:
That would require someone to pretty much spirtualise entire prophetic word of the Bible, yet God seemed to be very much literal in fulfilling the prophecies made concerning jesus first coming, so why not same for His second?
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I agree. Only a book could lead one to such a interpretation as it certainly did not come from the Bible.
 
evangelist6589

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Don said:
Because he's crusty, sometimes obnoxious, not afraid to challenge the views of others ... oh, wait. That's Rev Mitchell. You meant Revelations. My bad.

Sorry; couldn't help myself.
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Don its appropriate to speak kindly about others. Sometimes you act like you have as much sense as a Jack Rabbit in the way that you post. Many of your posts have been an outright attack on me, so you need to really concern yourself with brotherly love as you may lack it.

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Sorry; couldn't help myself.
 
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Greektim

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Yeshua1 said:
That would require someone to pretty much spirtualise entire prophetic word of the Bible, yet God seemed to be very much literal in fulfilling the prophecies made concerning jesus first coming, so why not same for His second?
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I think that is bogus. Read Matt. 2 and tell me how many of those prophecies were fulfilled literally. More like typologically.
 
Greektim

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Greektim said:
I think Isa 13. is the incipient passage (one of them anyways) for Jewish apocalyptic. Good point.
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Let me also add this. I just finished my thesis on Rev 2-3, so I've read a fair bit about John's Apocalypse (and taking a break on Rev for now). And one of the best books I read in all my research was Gorman's Reading Revelation Responsibly. Not an advanced level book. But really outstanding!
 
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Don

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evangelist6589 said:
Don its appropriate to speak kindly about others. Sometimes you act like you have as much sense as a Jack Rabbit in the way that you post. Many of your posts have been an outright attack on me, so you need to really concern yourself with brotherly love as you may lack it.
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Since you couldn't tell, I'll admit: I forgot to use the <joking around> tag.
 
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