Originally posted by Rev. G:
[QB] </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> How does a Calvinist explain this:
“from every nation, tribe, people and language”
My question is, "How does an 'Arminian' explain this?" If everything is left up to humanity, how can we know that there will be people from every tribe, tongue, people and nation / language is going to choose Christ? It's an uncertainty!
[/B]</font>[/QUOTE]We answer it very simply. The passage does not say whither Christ chose through salvational election or a freewill response. That's your problem, projection theology. God said this, so it must mean that.
Also. Why do you feel it necessary to attribute misconceptions to your opposition in order to advance your theology? I am unaware of any theology that says that all is left up to man. The fact that you must exaggerate to the point of absurdity in order to promote your theology in reality presents a problem for the validity for your theology.
Not a single passage that you have posted even remotely suggest nor indicate salvational election, irresistible grace nor any other premis upon which your theology stands. Just more of, if the bible says that, it must mean this..
Where is your foundational passage.
Here is my foundation.
Rom 10:8-17
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
(Verse 8,) the word of faith that we preach (verse 9.) that “IF” thou shall confess with thy mouth, etc, etc. Thou shalt be saved. [/b]Notice that it did not say, if thou hath been elected[/b] (verse 10) For with the “HEART” man believeth unto righteousness.
notice that it does not say, with irresistible grace”. And with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation. Wow!! A confession. Even in our courts today, are confessions obtained under force of power admissible?
(Verse 11.) “Whosoever believeth”.
Notice, it does not say, whosoever is forced to believe. This is again reinforced in verse 13. The concept of caste is eliminated in verse 12, 13, 14. There is no special group that is above all others. That includes YOUR SO CALL ELECT. They are a myth, not real. A fabrication.
So then faith cometh by hearing. By hearing.
“NOTICE IT DOES NOT SAY BY ELECTION”. If God had meant by, “faith cometh by election”; I think that his vocabulary is sufficient to have stated such.
Where is your sure foundation. NO PROJECTION THEOLOGY FOR ME.
I have come to expect more of you. Can we attribute this to a momentary lapse in judgment.
[ October 25, 2002, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Chappie ]
