The Calvinist hated the Ana-Baptists

[rockytopva]

There were changes that occurred as the church progressed. I believe the Lord Jesus attempted the final word on such changes.

Ephesus - Messianic - Paul chastises Peter for not eating with the Gentiles in Galatian 2
Smyrna - Martyr - Foxes book of Martyrs has the persecutions as ten
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry

I would tell what I will imagine as Sardisean age Protestants that…

1. The church was 1,500 years old before they came along
2. The Protestants could be quite mean and would have had most us put to death. We have the Lutherans drowning and burning ana-baptists, as well as hating the Jews. With the Calvinist we have those opposed to Calvin, such as Michael Servetus burned at the stake. John Bunyan would have suffered the same fate if Calvin could have gotten his hands on him.

That seditious articles of doctrine should be punished by the sword needed no further proof. For the rest, the Anabaptists hold tenets relating to infant baptism, original sin, and inspiration, which have no connection with the Word of God, and are indeed opposed to it. ... Secular authorities are also bound to restrain and punish avowedly false doctrine ... For think what disaster would ensue if children were not baptized? ... Besides this the Anabaptists separate themselves from the churches ... and they set up a ministry and congregation of their own, which is also contrary to the command of God. From all this it becomes clear that the secular authorities are bound ... to inflict corporal punishment on the offenders ... Also when it is a case of only upholding some spiritual tenet, such as infant baptism, original sin, and unnecessary separation, then ... we conclude that ... the stubborn sectaries must be put to death." -Martin Luther

"My advice, as I said earlier, is: First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire...Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not leaving them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be converted...Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our country...Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or tolerate it. The rulers must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them. If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs." - Martin Luther from the book "On the Jews and their Lies”

“TO write against all the false opinions & errours of the Anabaptists, should be a thing too long, & such a bottomless pit, as I could not well come out of. For this canker differeth in this thing from all other sects of hereticks: that she hath not erred only in certain points: but she hath engendered a whole sea, as it were, of foolish & false opinions. In such wise that scant shall a man find one Anabaptist which hath not some fantasy singular: which his fellows have not. So that if we would pluck out, or rehearse all their wicked doctrines, we should never make an end. But now at length they become unto two principal sects: whereof the one, though she be full of wicked & pernicious errours, yet doth she abide in much more simplicity. For she yet receiveth the holy scripture, as we do. And if men do dispute with those that be of that sect, it shall be perceived wherein they differ from us, & they will express their meaning, & in conclusion it may be perceived in what they accord, & wherein they dissent. The second sect is a mass of such foolish & beastly opinions, as the like cannot be found, insomuch that it is wonder how creatures which bear the figure of a man, can be so clean without sense & reason, as to suffer themselves so to be deceived, & fall into fantasies more than brutish. This sect call themselves libertines. And counterfeit so much the spiritual, that they set no more by the word of God, than they do by fables: except it be when it pleaseth them, and when as they may deprave it, and by force make it to serve for their devilish opinions. And besides this they have a charming or croaking as it were Cranes, so that a man cannot tell what it is, that they would say, and no more do they wot what it is themselves: but that by this craft they cover the filthiness of their doctrine. For their principles are to confound all differences between good & ill, & to mingle God so with the Devil that it should not be discerned between the one and the other, and so to make men not only without all feeling in their consciences before God: but also without shame before the world. Now see you wherefore they drive themselves into such caves of obscure and doubtful words, to the end that their villainy should not be perceived, lest we should have them in horror and execration. As indeed our nature repugneth against such monstrous things as they bring forth. So now to write in a sum against the errours of the Anabaptists, the shortest and most expedient way is to keep this division, and to gather apart in one treatise the errours of them which be not altogether so mad and desperate: and in another treatise to discover the venomous malice of those wicked, which under the colour of spirituality, would make men like unto brute beasts.” - John Calvin

 

[rockytopva]

On 21 January 1546, Calvin wrote to Farel in Neuchâtel that he had just met an Anabaptist Belot in Geneva. The letter also throws light on Calvin's attitude to the Anabaptists at that time. He says, "In these days an Anabaptist, when he was laying out foolish writings publicly for sale, was at my instigation arrested. You of course know the nature of these people from experience. But I have never been aware of such wild defiance before. Although I first addressed him politely, as is my custom, it did not suit him for a moment to talk otherwise with me than if he were dealing with a dog. When they led him to the city hall, he at once wanted to sit beside the first syndic; when he was turned away from there, he gave himself with raised head and rolling eyes the majestic aspect of a prophet and answered if it suited him with a few words the questions directed to him; frequently he was altogether silent. A dispute then arose between us on swearing. When I asked him if the law of the Lord did not give us directions for living, he uttered the horrible dogma of the Anabaptists: The Old Testament is done away! I quoted the words of Paul. All Scripture is profitable, that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works (2 Timothy 3:16, 17). I insisted that he answer; but not a word could I get out of him. Therefore I now explained this entire question, so that everyone might recognize the invincible ignorance of this man together with his equally great impudence. When he saw himself thus pushed, he uttered the usual frivolous phrase of the sectarians, that no man has a more comfortable life than the parsons. I answered with a few words, not so much to defend our class as to ward off the boldness of this beast. Then he called me covetous. This produced general laughter; for all knew that I had just this year refused a large personal salary and indeed so seriously that I assured them under oath that I would not preach another sermon if they did not leave off. They knew too that I had not only refused such extraordinary generosity, but had even returned some of my regular salary, not less than 20 crowns. And so he was attacked by all with abusive terms. I answered modestly, he would probably be rich in my position; it was no sign of avarice if I am poor with all the opportunity of becoming rich; but he could be accused by me on a matter of life and death, namely of theft; if he denied it I would offer my head for punishment for slander if it were not true. For it was certain that he was selling broadsheets for two and a half sous which had cost him four deniers. And it was not due to a fixed tax that he sold them so dearly. When he was silent as usual I began to talk about the sinlessness of the Anabaptists. When he had sufficiently shown his defiance, he was expelled from the city. Two days later, when he was again seized in the city, he was beaten, his books publicly burned, and he himself was told not to come again, on penalty of the gallows. This is a man or rather a beast of desperate wickedness." - John Calvin Calvin, John (1509-1564) - GAMEO

 

[rockytopva]

Following article attempts to describe the Anabaptist and then goes on to say…

“The Anabaptists had no generally accepted doctrine as each group adopted their own specific beliefs and there was no central organisation. The Anabaptists also had no overall leader so there was no John Calvin or Luther-like figure. The influence of the Anabaptists was never extreme because its origins were far from precise. Whereas Luther, Calvin and Zwingli could be specifically associated with a geographic area, the Anabaptists could not. There is some evidence that the Anabaptists developed in Zurich after 1523. Conrad Grebel and Felix Mantz were the early ‘leaders’ of the movement. They had discussed with Zwingli child baptism. By 1525, adults in Zurich were being baptised in rivers. This was bitterly opposed by Zwingli and Zwingli agreed that Anabaptists should be drowned in a decree of 1526. This destroyed the group and they survived in a few isolated areas of Switzerland or moved to other areas. The Anabaptists in Strasburg were seen as being too radical for Martin Bucer and were expelled from the city.”-https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/the-reformation/the-anabaptists/

This would have been a problem for a man like John Bunyan…

1. He was unique
2. He was radical
3. He was at first not generally accepted and locked up
4. Did not preach a generally accepted doctrine.

 

[rockytopva]

I consider myself a Baptist after the order of John Bunyan and delight also in the Puritan-Holiness teachings. I was also dunked in a river baptism. John Calvin speaking of infant baptism…

‘“But we must now note that when a man is received of God into the fellowship of the faithful, the promise of salvation which is given to him is not for him alone but also for his children. For it is said to him: “I am thy God, and the God of thy children after thee.” Therefore the man who has not been received into the covenant of God from his childhood is as a stranger to the church until such time as he is led into faith and repentance by the doctrine of salvation. But at the same time his posterity is also made a part of the family of the church. And for this reason infants of believers are baptized by virtue of this covenant, made with their fathers in their name and to their benefit. Herein, thus, lies the mistake of the poor Anabaptists. For since this doctrine must precede the sacrament, we do not resist it.” - JOHN CALVIN, Brief Instruction for Arming All the Good Faithful Against the Errors of the Common Sect of the Anabaptists in John Calvin: Treatises Against the Anabaptists and Against the Libertines,

 

[AustinC]

Some facts about some Anabaptists that must be understood:

Anabaptist Terrorists

When we look back in history as Mennonite Anabaptists, we focus mostly on our persecuted ancestors who we view as Bible-believing, peace-loving, community-minded followers of Christ who were harmless to society and not worthy of the pain, suffering and death they experienced at the hands of the government and religious leaders in the 16th century.

We tend to be less aware of the presence and influence of radicalized Anabaptists during that same time who embraced violent revolution and desired to establish what we today would call an “Anabaptist caliphate.” These radicalized Anabaptists were essentially terrorists who caused fear throughout Europe which contributed to the government’s intense persecution of our ancestors by the government leaders.

Three radicalized Anabaptist leaders were particularly infamous during the early Anabaptist years. They are names not generally familiar to us: Bernard Rothman, Jan Matthias and Jan of Leyden. In the same way that ISIS has been attempting to develop an Islamic state using horrific and violent means, Rothman, Matthias and Leyden became radicalized Anabaptists who were committed to developing a New Jerusalem using force and similar tactics.

While there was widespread unrest in Europe at the time, the German city of Münster became the center of the effort to develop this new state. Even today, three metal cages hang in Münster where the bodies of the deposed leaders were placed to rot after being tortured and executed. The cages were placed in a telling place, by the towers of St. Lambert’s Church. They were placed there as a reminder of the short, brutal and failed attempt of the radical Anabaptists to begin an Anabaptist state.

While the term Mennonite stands as a legacy to the peaceful teachings of Menno Simons and the enduring spirit of those who suffered greatly during the 16th century, the steel cages hanging from St. Lambert’s church are the legacy of Anabaptists who desired to bring about the kingdom of God using violent revolutionary means.

When Anabaptists were terrorists | Anabaptist World

As for Bunyan, he never traced his faith lineage through the Anabaptist Mennonite community. In Holland there were two groups of Baptists that were formed. One group held to the ideas of Arminius followers in Amsterdam who also were influenced by followers of Menno Simons. The other group held to the ideas of Calvins followers and the Council of Dort. Bunyan's theology and view comes from the Calvinist Baptists who left Amsterdam and set up in England. This is a fact of which you seem to be unaware.

 

[SGO]

There were changes that occurred as the church progressed. I believe the Lord Jesus attempted the final word on such changes.

Ephesus - Messianic - Paul chastises Peter for not eating with the Gentiles in Galatian 2
Smyrna - Martyr - Foxes book of Martyrs has the persecutions as ten
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry
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Hey Rocky,

Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.
Nothing up my sleeve...###...
Ooops!
Wrong hat!

Here is a theory:

Ephesus distrusted Smyrna.
Smyrna distrusted Pergamos,
Pergamos distrusted Thyatira.
Thyatira distrusted Sardis,
Sardis distrusted Philadelphia.

Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, and Philadelphia all could not stand Laodicea
because Laodicea is us.

All those names are in the bible, which is the word of God.
All those churches had certain characteristics: some good, some bad.
All those churches were known by God.
All those churches were along or near the same Roman road so they are all linked.

The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:
and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest
are the seven churches.
Revelation 1:20b


This is a candle to stick some where in the ages.
It all fits very nicely.
Unfortunately I cannot yet find any other place in the bible where my theory is corroborated.

But this is a true theory because I am a Christian, I read the bible, and it has been suggested.
And because this theory is bound to be repeated others will consider it true, even if the Lord Jesus did not actually say it.

 

[rockytopva]

Hey Rocky,

Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.
Nothing up my sleeve...###...
Ooops!
Wrong hat!

Here is a theory:

Ephesus distrusted Smyrna.
Smyrna distrusted Pergamos,
Pergamos distrusted Thyatira.
Thyatira distrusted Sardis,
Sardis distrusted Philadelphia.

Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, and Philadelphia all could not stand Laodicea
because Laodicea is us.

All those names are in the bible, which is the word of God.
All those churches had certain characteristics: some good, some bad.
All those churches were known by God.
All those churches were along or near the same Roman road so they are all linked.

The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:
and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest
are the seven churches.
Revelation 1:20b


This is a candle to stick some where in the ages.
It all fits very nicely.
Unfortunately I cannot yet find any other place in the bible where my theory is corroborated.

But this is a true theory because I am a Christian, I read the bible, and it has been suggested.
And because this theory is bound to be repeated others will consider it true, even if the Lord Jesus did not actually say it.

Then the seven churches is no mystery! If you cannot see the changes historically you have every right to believe that.

 

[rockytopva]

We live in a church of historical change. Even Paul brought change to the established Messianic church early on...

13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, - Galatians 2

Huge historical changes would also occur in that independent denominations would form after the established Magisterial Reformation took hold. Often to the dismay of the leaders of the magisterial church..

A big difference between Calvin and the Baptist is that Calvin was magisterial and the Baptist were not.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

In my readings, there are two factors in the antipathy (sometimes murderous) of Calvinists towards Baptists.

• First, is the idea of a Sacral society [A] society held together by a religion to which all the members of that society are committed.
  Leonard Verduin, “The Reformers and Their Stepchildren”, p.23
  
  • Sacral Bound together by a common religious loyalty
• The second is the Baptist position concerning infant "baptism"
  • John Cotton as the prosecuting attorney in the trial of Obadiah Holmes and John Clark at the sentencing “preached . . . that denying infants’ baptism would overthrow all; and this was a capital offense; therefore they were soul murderers.’ After this Cotton requested the death sentence.” Page 275
    
    • Concerning the trial of other Baptists, Governor Endicott said, “You have denied infant baptism, and deserve to die; I will have no such trash brought to our jurisdiction.” Page 276 This Day in Baptist History, David L. Cummins & E. Wayne Thompson
  • 
    

 

[AustinC]

Then the seven churches is no mystery! If you cannot see the changes historically you have every right to believe that.

So...the history of the church in China is following your church age theory... [emoji102]

 

[rockytopva]

So...the history of the church in China is following your church age theory... [emoji102]

What kind of church will emerge from China? Interesting!

If someone wanted to point out that there were 100's of denominations and movements within the second church, all superior to mine, and that I did not know the exact geographies and times... I would go along with that! That is why the churches are said to be a mystery! But interesting enough....

The Persecuted church - The Second Church - Beginning with the Apostle Paul. The Smyrnaean Church age began with the Roman Emperor Nero burning down Rome and accusing the Christians of doing it. Smyrna in the Greek means “Myrrh,” in which the Smyrnaean martyrs represented the most pure form of Christianity of all the church ages. The martyred crowns were many as the Smyrnaean church age progressed.

Ye Shall Have Tribulation Ten Days…
Time Persecutor Description
67 AD Nero The Smyrna Church Age begins with Nero setting fire to Rome, and then blaming the Christians
81 AD Domitian Declaration that no Christian should be exempt from punishment, Paul’s Timothy died in 97 AD.
108 AD Trajan and Adrian Severe persecution against Christians from 108 to 138 AD during the time of the Bishop Ignatius
162 AD Marcos Aurelius Marcos Aurelius, commendable in study of philosophy, sharp and fierce towards Christians.
192 AD Severus This persecution was carried out by the will and prejudice of the people and extended into Africa.
235 AD Maximus Numberless Christians were slain without trial and burned indiscriminately in heaps
249 AD Decius Began because of the amazing increase in Christianity, and with the heathen temples forsaken.
257 AD Valerian The martyrs that fell during this persecution were innumerable, their tortures and deaths painful.
274 AD Aurelian A brief persecution that ended with the emperor’s assassination.
303 AD Diocletian The last persecution ended with Constantine’s triumph against Rome in 313 AD

 

[AustinC]

In my readings, there are two factors in the antipathy (sometimes murderous) of Calvinists towards Baptists.

• First, is the idea of a Sacral society [A] society held together by a religion to which all the members of that society are committed.
  Leonard Verduin, “The Reformers and Their Stepchildren”, p.23
  
  • Sacral Bound together by a common religious loyalty
• The second is the Baptist position concerning infant "baptism"
  • John Cotton as the prosecuting attorney in the trial of Obadiah Holmes and John Clark at the sentencing “preached . . . that denying infants’ baptism would overthrow all; and this was a capital offense; therefore they were soul murderers.’ After this Cotton requested the death sentence.” Page 275
    
    • Concerning the trial of other Baptists, Governor Endicott said, “You have denied infant baptism, and deserve to die; I will have no such trash brought to our jurisdiction.” Page 276 This Day in Baptist History, David L. Cummins & E. Wayne Thompson
  • 
    

Squire, first, during the Reformation the Baptists didn't exist, but nearly every nation sought to exterminate Anabaptists due to the reasons I already presented.
Second, your mention of Cotton and Endicott has little to do with Calvinism as a soteriological understanding of God's Sovereign choosing, but more to do with any high church position on baptism as a covenant sign for the church. Would Israel deny circumcision to its male children as a sign of the Abrahamic covenant? No. Therefore, would the church deny baptism to its children as a sign of the new covenant?
What you reveal is that political power often evokes jurisdictional power in the governments of men. There is no doubt we could find Baptist leaders killing black persons in the South for many reasons that were wicked and conjured from hell. There is no denomination that stands uncondemned.

 

[AustinC]

What kind of church will emerge from China? Interesting!

If someone wanted to point out that there were 100's of denominations and movements within the second church, all superior to mine, and that I did not know the exact geographies and times... I would go along with that! That is why the churches are said to be a mystery! But interesting enough....

The Persecuted church - The Second Church - Beginning with the Apostle Paul. The Smyrnaean Church age began with the Roman Emperor Nero burning down Rome and accusing the Christians of doing it. Smyrna in the Greek means “Myrrh,” in which the Smyrnaean martyrs represented the most pure form of Christianity of all the church ages. The martyred crowns were many as the Smyrnaean church age progressed.

Ye Shall Have Tribulation Ten Days…
Time Persecutor Description
67 AD Nero The Smyrna Church Age begins with Nero setting fire to Rome, and then blaming the Christians
81 AD Domitian Declaration that no Christian should be exempt from punishment, Paul’s Timothy died in 97 AD.
108 AD Trajan and Adrian Severe persecution against Christians from 108 to 138 AD during the time of the Bishop Ignatius
162 AD Marcos Aurelius Marcos Aurelius, commendable in study of philosophy, sharp and fierce towards Christians.
192 AD Severus This persecution was carried out by the will and prejudice of the people and extended into Africa.
235 AD Maximus Numberless Christians were slain without trial and burned indiscriminately in heaps
249 AD Decius Began because of the amazing increase in Christianity, and with the heathen temples forsaken.
257 AD Valerian The martyrs that fell during this persecution were innumerable, their tortures and deaths painful.
274 AD Aurelian A brief persecution that ended with the emperor’s assassination.
303 AD Diocletian The last persecution ended with Constantine’s triumph against Rome in 313 AD

You seem to be uncaring that your theory is man-made and not a biblical truth.

There is an interesting phenomenon where people trust what their mentors taught them and cling to that teaching even when it is patently false. You exhibit this phenomenon with your tenacious clinging to a false theory created by men less than 2 centuries ago.

 

[rockytopva]

You seem to be uncaring that your theory is man-made and not a biblical truth.

There is an interesting phenomenon where people trust what their mentors taught them and cling to that teaching even when it is patently false. You exhibit this phenomenon with your tenacious clinging to a false theory created by men less than 2 centuries ago.

I worry that we are in the midst of the Laodicean church age.

 

[SGO]

Then the seven churches is no mystery! If you cannot see the changes historically you have every right to believe that.

You can believe what you want also.
The theory is tweaking history to make sense out of it.
Many of your statements are made about other topics using the church-age theory as your truth foundation.
Jesus did not say this theory and neither does the bible.
You can not prove it from the bible.
Where are your historians that actually believe this?
They are theologians who want to make an easy history lesson.
It would be better to make statements about Calvinism and Arminianism without using unproved theories but rather using the bible to prove.
Christianity is full of theories that cannot be proved.

I am ...the truth.
John 14:6

 

[rockytopva]

You can believe what you want also.
The theory is tweaking history to make sense out of it.
Many of your statements are made about other topics using the church-age theory as your truth foundation.
Jesus did not say this theory and neither does the bible.
You can not prove it from the bible.
Where are your historians that actually believe this?
They are theologians who want to make an easy history lesson.
It would be better to make statements about Calvinism and Arminianism without using unproved theories but rather using the bible to prove.
Christianity is full of theories that cannot be proved.

I am ...the truth.
John 14:6

I worry that we are in the midst of the Laodicean church age.

Sardis - Magisterials like John Calvin
Philadelphia - Pastors like Jacobus Arminius
Laodicea - Who was John Calvin? Who was Jacobus Arminius?

 

[SGO]

I worry that we are in the midst of the Laodicean church age.

Sardis - Magisterials like John Calvin
Philadelphia - Pastors Luke Jacobus Arminius
Laodicea - Who was John Calvin? Who was Jacobus Arminius?

No bible verse?

Everything fits your theory then.

As also in all his epistles,
speaking in them of these things;
in which are some things hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest,
as they do also the other scriptures...
2 Peter 3:16

 

[rockytopva]

No bible verse?

Everything fits your theory then.

As also in all his epistles,
speaking in them of these things;
in which are some things hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest,
as they do also the other scriptures...
2 Peter 3:16

Sure... Plenty of scripture...

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. - Revelation 3

 

[SGO]

The above quotes do not prove the churches represent ages of history.

It is twisting the word of God.


Here is another twist from your first post in this thread:

"I believe the Lord Jesus attempted the final word on such changes."

This statement is made to justify your church-age theory without the bible.

You are adding to the word.

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things,
God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book...
Revelation 22:18

 

[rockytopva]

The above quotes do not prove the churches represent ages of history.

It is twisting the word of God.


Here is another twist from your first post in this thread:

"I believe the Lord Jesus attempted the final word on such changes."

This statement is made to justify your church-age theory without the bible.

You are adding to the word.

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things,
God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book...
Revelation 22:18

A preacher preaches a 30 minute sermon on a single scriptural verse. Will you accuse him of twisting scripture?