The Catholics are not lost

[Darren]

This is an idea that we have our protestant ansestors to blame for. They were so angry at being called heritics they thought it was a good stratigy to say it back. Course both side thought war was also a good debate tactic so lets rise above, shall we?

The catholics genuinely believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, they repent on a regular basis and those whom take their faiths seriously, commit their lives to the Lord. By the baptist definition: accept, believe, committ; they are saved.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

This is an idea that we have our protestant ansestors to blame for. They were so angry at being called heritics they thought it was a good stratigy to say it back. Course both side thought war was also a good debate tactic so lets rise above, shall we?

The catholics genuinely believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, they repent on a regular basis and those whom take their faiths seriously, commit their lives to the Lord. By the baptist definition: accept, believe, committ; they are saved.

Those who depend on their works and adherence to sacraments for salvation are not saved.

I am sure that some catholics fit your description, being a catholic does not mean one is lost, but the vast majority that I know (please note where I live) depend on being a Catholic for their salvation. Their faith is misplaced.

 

[Crabtownboy]

This is an idea that we have our protestant ansestors to blame for. They were so angry at being called heritics they thought it was a good stratigy to say it back. Course both side thought war was also a good debate tactic so lets rise above, shall we?

The catholics genuinely believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, they repent on a regular basis and those whom take their faiths seriously, commit their lives to the Lord. By the baptist definition: accept, believe, committ; they are saved.

There was no tolerance in those days ... which now that I think about it is like some groups today and there were very regretable excesses on both sides; i.e. the Inquisition for example, and the terrible happenings in Munster with the extremely radical Anabaptist. We have inherited extremely bad attitudes that some still hold today.

I remember talking with a Jesuit priest at a reception after he had baptized a neighbor's infant. I told him that I was quite surprised during the baptism when he said to the parents, "You know this baptism has nothing to do with the salvation of this infant. Rather it is about your committment to raise this child in a Christian home."

He said he understood, that many Catholics and Protestants misunderstand. He is a missionary in Japan, but was in the States on leave and was a long term friend of the family.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Those who depend on their works and adherence to sacraments for salvation are not saved.

And we must remember that James said that faith without works is dead. That is a faith that does not result in good works is not a faith at all. Works does not save, but neither does a deat faith that brings about no good works.

As I have said in other posts, "Show me your works and I will show you your faith, or lack thereof."

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

And we must remember that James said that faith without works is dead. That is a faith that does not result in good works is not a faith at all. Works does not save, but neither does a deat faith that brings about no good works.

As I have said in other posts, "Show me your works and I will show you your faith, or lack thereof."

Of course, but that is not the topic of this thread.

 

[Darren]

The catholics believe in the sacriments, basically confession and many other commands that really do come from God. They're faith is missplaced... or rather one should say, they missunderstand, but in the end, they do all that is required for Baptist salvation, whether they understand it or not.

Like the man on the cross next to Jesus, knew little of Jesus, said no sinners prayer, but was saved that day.

 

[ajg1959]

Maybe my perception is wrong, but I always thought that catholics asked the priest for forgiveness, not God. And that they believed that church sacrements are the way to salvation, not grace.

Basically, most catholics that I personally know put their faith in the church and not in God.

Is my perception wrong?

AJ

 

[Crabtownboy]

Maybe my perception is wrong, but I always thought that catholics asked the priest for forgiveness, not God. And that they believed that church sacrements are the way to salvation, not grace.

I expect you are both right and wrong depending on the individual.

 

[ajg1959]

I expect you are both right and wrong depending on the individual.

I see your point, but I guess I was referring to the overall doctrine and teaching of the catholic church as opposed to any individual's personal relationship with God.

AJ

 

[Darren]

Maybe my perception is wrong, but I always thought that catholics asked the priest for forgiveness, not God. And that they believed that church sacrements are the way to salvation, not grace.

Basically, most catholics that I personally know put their faith in the church and not in God.

Is my perception wrong?

To a degree you're right, to a degree you're wrong.

It is the priest whom they ask for forgiveness, but not for his forgiveness at the same time. They believe the priest intercedes for them, the same as they believe about Mary. They still believe the salvation comes from God, so far as I know, but don't believe in talking directly to Him.

I will point out that hasn't the Pope declared protestants brothers? Catholics realize our faiths are different, but today, it is mostly the protestants that fire most of the angry words. We call them heritics, and they bless us in the name of Mary. We call them polythiests, they explain that Mary is not God, and then call us brothers. We call them heathen, they smile, and go about their way.

I see the catholic faith as goofy, treating the Pope almost like God Himself, but understand that their tradition and up bringings have confused them, not a hatred of the truth. They worship Jesus as well.

I hope to see the faces of all those Baptist hardliners in heaven. When they see people they KNEW wouldn't be there.

I myself have been told I can't possibly be saved. Well, to that, all I can say is, "see you there".

 

[Matt Black]

Some are saved, some are not - the same as in any other Christian denomination

 

[ajg1959]

I reckon my point is this:

It seems to me that the doctrines and teachings of the Catholic Church would make it difficult for a person to get saved if they follow the doctrine as it is taught.

I honestly wonder if even the Pope is going to heaven.

AJ

 

[Trotter]

Belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and faith in Him, and Him only, accounts as salvation. Anyone, be they Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, or whatever, who has faith in anything else is lost.

I have met some Catholics who I sincerely believe were as saved as saved can be, but I have met many others who are as lost as a goose in a snowstorm.

 

[Samuel Owen]

Having a Priest as an intercessor, stopped at the cross, or any other person/thing for that matter. We have direct access to Gods throne through Jesus Christ, and no other.

To place someone other than Jesus in that position, is idolatry, Though shalt have no other Gods before me! saith the Lord.

Jews are very devout people, they believe strongly in God, but also place their faith in the law. They are not saved. Anyone who places their faith in any other than Jesus Christ, adding nothing! is not saved, but they are deceiving themselves.

Matt:23:9: And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

 

[Matt Black]

And who or what is Christ's Body?

 

[Samuel Owen]

And who or what is Christ's Body?

The Church invisible, not the building, or the congregation, but those who are truly committed to Jesus Christ. And it sure ain't no crumb-cake, or poker chip sized piece of bread.

PS. Religious tolerance is a trick of satan, and a sure pathway to hell. To accept a heretic as a brother, you have made yourself the same, and brought corruption into the body of Christ.

 

[donnA]

If a catholic is following the teachings of their church, then they can not be saved, because the RCC does not teach biblical salvation.
Religous tolerance means compromise. I see no tolerance in the N.T., just out right preaching against false beliefs, false religions, false teachers. Religous tolerance is modern day PC meant to water down christianity, satan's attack on the church. And far too many christians fall for it.

 

[Crabtownboy]

If a catholic is following the teachings of their church, then they can not be saved, because the RCC does not teach biblical salvation.
Religous tolerance means compromise. I see no tolerance in the N.T., just out right preaching against false beliefs, false religions, false teachers. Religous tolerance is modern day PC meant to water down christianity, satan's attack on the church. And far too many christians fall for it.

I'm curious, have you ever talked with a priest or a nun about salvation?

I think Jesus was very tolerant of sinners; i.e. woman at the well; woman taken in adultry; rich young ruler; etc., etc. But he did not have tolerance for religious bigots and those who used religion for their own ends and enhancement.

 

[Matt Black]

The Church invisible, not the building, or the congregation, but those who are truly committed to Jesus Christ.

So to be truly committed to Jesus Christ, one must be committed to His Body, the Church.

 

[Samuel Owen]

Contending for the true Faith is not bigotry, it is a requirement to a point. After one or two attempts, it may become something else, and is not condoned by scripture.

I am very well aware of the Catholic belief. I attended a Catholic school as a young boy, for a year. And was closely associated enough to know, what its all about; "mostly".

I won't fall for any sly lawyer trickery, Christs body is not the building, congregation, denomination, by-laws, or rules of any organizational body. But only those who are truly committed to Christ, as their Lord and Saviour, and follow after him. + nothing.