The CHRISTIAN Left wants ...

[atpollard]

On one of the garden variety political "not-news" posts on this site, someone posted ...

"there are a lot of Christians on the Left."

Which I am prepared to take at face value as true.
We are all familiar with what the Militant Left wants from their Black Lives Matter post-march riots and Defund the Police rhetoric, plus the Rainbow Marches and their anti-baker lawsuits. So let us set that aside as a given and start from the assumption that the Christian Left is not represented by those things any more than White Supremacists speak for the Christian Right.

What does the Christian Left stand for and want and support?

Enlighten your Christian Brothers and Sisters on the Christian Right.

(And for anyone on the Christian Right that feels the absolute need to say something here, rather than telling others what THEY WANT, what if you just post what it is that the CHRISTIAN RIGHT really wants.)

 

[Reformed1689]

Christian and Christian Left do not mix.

 

[canadyjd]

Christian and Christian Left do not mix.

I don’t agree. Although I consider myself very conservative, I can see where Christians could use various passages of scripture to support welfare (help for the poor, widows, orphans), liberal tax policies (tax the rich more than middle class), and so on.

The problem, imo, is using force of government to carry those policies forward rather than through a church or other Christian organization.

It is easy to be generous with you other people’s money.

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

On one of the garden variety political "not-news" posts on this site, someone posted ...

"there are a lot of Christians on the Left."

Which I am prepared to take at face value as true.
We are all familiar with what the Militant Left wants from their Black Lives Matter post-march riots and Defund the Police rhetoric, plus the Rainbow Marches and their anti-baker lawsuits. So let us set that aside as a given and start from the assumption that the Christian Left is not represented by those things any more than White Supremacists speak for the Christian Right.

What does the Christian Left stand for and want and support?

Enlighten your Christian Brothers and Sisters on the Christian Right.

(And for anyone on the Christian Right that feels the absolute need to say something here, rather than telling others what THEY WANT, what if you just post what it is that the CHRISTIAN RIGHT really wants.)

There are no Christians on the left.

 

[Reformed1689]

I don’t agree. Although I consider myself very conservative, I can see where Christians could use various passages of scripture to support welfare (help for the poor, widows, orphans), liberal tax policies (tax the rich more than middle class), and so on.

The problem, imo, is using force of government to carry those policies forward rather than through a church or other Christian organization.

It is easy to be generous with you other people’s money.

peace to you

Yeah, that is hardly what we mean when we say the left....what you are describing is the left of the '60s not the left of 2020.

 

[AustinC]

I have a number of Christian friends who voted Democrat. They do so because they are convinced that community support is Godward rather than intense individualism. They point to the communal nature of the early church in supporting one another and giving of time and resources as a Godward activity best expressed by the Democratic Party. They do not support abortion, yet they know human nature is wicked. Therefore, they believe in caring for those who are living, fighting for equity and justice, and supporting assistance for all as a more Godward position than libertarian individualism, self-preservation and anti-government behavior.
I land in the middle of communal christianity and individualist christianity. I find both political parties to be corrupt and generally godless with Christian influence waining as US post-Christian culture takes hold.
I suggest listening to the last 3 podcasts provided by the White Horse Inn, which outlines the pathway of US culture.
White Horse Inn

 

[Reformed1689]

They do not support abortion

They do if they vote Democrat.

For the record, government and politics is NOT Christianity. We should not rely on the government to do the role of the church.

 

[Yeshua1]

I have a number of Christian friends who voted Democrat. They do so because they are convinced that community support is Godward rather than intense individualism. They point to the communal nature of the early church in supporting one another and giving of time and resources as a Godward activity best expressed by the Democratic Party. They do not support abortion, yet they know human nature is wicked. Therefore, they believe in caring for those who are living, fighting for equity and justice, and supporting assistance for all as a more Godward position than libertarian individualism, self-preservation and anti-government behavior.
I land in the middle of communal christianity and individualist christianity. I find both political parties to be corrupt and generally godless with Christian influence waining as US post-Christian culture takes hold.
I suggest listening to the last 3 podcasts provided by the White Horse Inn, which outlines the pathway of US culture.
White Horse Inn

They basically support the social Gospel, but not really into the Gospel of salvation!

 

[Yeshua1]

They do if they vote Democrat.

For the record, government and politics is NOT Christianity. We should not rely on the government to do the role of the church.

To vote Democratic is to approve of abortion on demand!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yeah, that is hardly what we mean when we say the left....what you are describing is the left of the '60s not the left of 2020.

Yes, would be the Democratic liberals' of 1960's, those are long gone, now Marxist and pretty much atheist!

 

[atpollard]

Christian and Christian Left do not mix.

There are no Christians on the left.

You are prepared to offer Testimony that Jimmy Carter was and is not a Christian?

Thank you for the spirit of BROTHERLY HATE that you have demonstrated within the Body of Christ here at Baptist Board by shouting down any Christian that might disagree with your politics before they can even have a chance to speak.

 

[Reformed1689]

You are prepared to offer Testimony that Jimmy Carter was and is not a Christian?

Thank you for the spirit of BROTHERLY HATE that you have demonstrated within the Body of Christ here at Baptist Board by shouting down any Christian that might disagree with your politics before they can even have a chance to speak.

If he supports the platform of the Democrat Party I would seriously doubt his salvation.

 

[Reformed1689]

Thank you for the spirit of BROTHERLY HATE that you have demonstrated within the Body of Christ here at Baptist Board by shouting down any Christian that might disagree with your politics before they can even have a chance to speak.

If you support policies that are clearly against Scripture, yes, you will be called out for it.

 

[Reynolds]

You are prepared to offer Testimony that Jimmy Carter was and is not a Christian?

Thank you for the spirit of BROTHERLY HATE that you have demonstrated within the Body of Christ here at Baptist Board by shouting down any Christian that might disagree with your politics before they can even have a chance to speak.

Jimmy Carter is a universalist/unitarian.
We are called out to hate sin. I see plenty of Scriptural evidence that we are to have disdain for those who encourage and promote sin.

 

[atpollard]

If you support policies that are clearly against Scripture, yes, you will be called out for it.

They were called out for it before they even had a chance to claim support for it.

 

[Reformed1689]

They were called out for it before they even had a chance to claim support for it.

How so?

 

[atpollard]

How so?

Rather than argue about shadows, how about THIS:

(And for anyone on the Christian Right that feels the absolute need to say something here, rather than telling others what THEY WANT, what if you just post what it is that the CHRISTIAN RIGHT really wants.)

So what is it that YOU want?

If you are going to claim that you support Republican Conservatives because you want an end to abortion ... that plan failed.

Abortion is LEGAL in every state and a Constitutional Right since Roe v. Wade. Voting for unchristian Republicans to appoint Conservative Justices to reverse the Supreme Court decision has been an epic failure based on over half a century of trying. You could pass a constitutional amendment, but a Republican House, Senate and White House didn't even bother to try. Have your Conservative Republican State Legislatures made abortions almost unobtainable through State regulations? Have they tried?

Why do you want to end abortion so desperately?
I am not supporting it. I hate it. The question is what makes THIS SIN, the sin to die on a hill over. From the lack of "Concerned Conservative" action on behalf of other causes of death, the issue cannot be the sanctity of all life. Lots of people die in lots of ways and their deaths don't trigger this level of vitriol.

So as a Conservative Republican Christian that cannot stop abortion, what ELSE is an issue that Christians should care about?

 

[AustinC]

They do if they vote Democrat.

For the record, government and politics is NOT Christianity. We should not rely on the government to do the role of the church.

No, they don't. Just like a person who votes Republican does not vote for the mistreatment of illegal aliens or for inequity against women.

Do you really think that every plank in the Republican Party platform is Godward? No, of course not. Both parties are godless, worldly entities that promote worldly goals. So, a Christian who votes for a Democrat does not advocate for women to get abortions, just as a Christian who votes Republican does not advocate for adults to get drunk with liquor. Both are evils that can kill people. Yet we recognize that it is the evil actions of humans regardless of whether something is legalized by government or not.

 

[Reformed1689]

Rather than argue about shadows, how about THIS:

(And for anyone on the Christian Right that feels the absolute need to say something here, rather than telling others what THEY WANT, what if you just post what it is that the CHRISTIAN RIGHT really wants.)

So what is it that YOU want?

If you are going to claim that you support Republican Conservatives because you want an end to abortion ... that plan failed.

Abortion is LEGAL in every state and a Constitutional Right since Roe v. Wade. Voting for unchristian Republicans to appoint Conservative Justices to reverse the Supreme Court decision has been an epic failure based on over half a century of trying. You could pass a constitutional amendment, but a Republican House, Senate and White House didn't even bother to try. Have your Conservative Republican State Legislatures made abortions almost unobtainable through State regulations? Have they tried?

Why do you want to end abortion so desperately?
I am not supporting it. I hate it. The question is what makes THIS SIN, the sin to die on a hill over. From the lack of "Concerned Conservative" action on behalf of other causes of death, the issue cannot be the sanctity of all life. Lots of people die in lots of ways and their deaths don't trigger this level of vitriol.

So as a Conservative Republican Christian that cannot stop abortion, what ELSE is an issue that Christians should care about?

If you vote for people who actively are trying to EXPAND abortion guess what? YOU SUPPORT ABORTION. Period.

Can you imagine a congressman saying "Yeah I voted for that bill but I don't support what is in it...."??? No, that's ridiculous, but that is the exact claim you are trying to make with "Christians" that vote Democrat.

 

[AustinC]

They basically support the social Gospel, but not really into the Gospel of salvation!

Not true. My friends, while being semi-pelagians, testify of the saving gospel of Christ crucified. They are born again and love God.